NBA Free Agency Moves in General (related to the Jazz, but not just moves made by the Jazz)

[fishonjazz]

I would imagine they score more than we do.

We might set records for least points allowed per game AND least points scored per game lol

 

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I've previously stated that I prefer we save money for next year's FA. Something I failed to account for - Dante Exum, Rodney Hood and Derrick Favors' capholds. The RFA's capholds jump a lot in the new CBA - for example the caphold for Exum is 15M!!!!!! FIFTEEN! This will make it really hard to get a max slot unless we renounce some of our own FAs... Favors' caphold will be 18M. By my calculations we will need to renounce pretty much all of our expiring contracts(JJ, Diaw, Favors, Exum) in order to get to max space(only keeping Hood). This doesn't sound good for my plan previously. I need to review and revise it. This is not going to work.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

If the nets wanted to clear a little more cap space to make a run at KCP how would we feel about a Booker reunion. One year deal. A guy we love. Just a salary dump for them.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I've previously stated that I prefer we save money for next year's FA. Something I failed to account for - Dante Exum, Rodney Hood and Derrick Favors' capholds. The RFA's capholds jump a lot in the new CBA - for example the caphold for Exum is 15M!!!!!! FIFTEEN! This will make it really hard to get a max slot unless we renounce some of our own FAs... Favors' caphold will be 18M. By my calculations we will need to renounce pretty much all of our expiring contracts(JJ, Diaw, Favors, Exum) in order to get to max space(only keeping Hood). This doesn't sound good for my plan previously. I need to review and revise it. This is not going to work.

The 2018 FA class will suck. I'd rather take on assets and salary for next year than try to make a big FA play.

 

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The 2018 FA class will suck. I'd rather take on assets and salary for next year than try to make a big FA play.

Wiggins? Parker? Not interested?

 

[Ron Mexico]

The 2018 FA class will suck. I'd rather take on assets and salary for next year than try to make a big FA play.

Yep the only good FAs are RFA except for Paul George but I dont think we have a chance at him.

I guess Cousins is slightly interesting prospect depending on how he does this season. He is a huge swing for the fences but a good chance to strike out player though. This season will be telling for him somewhat.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

Counting the loss of only Hayward and Hill we lost the following.
2430 total pts
38.8 avg ppg
29.6 82game adjusted ppg
8.8 avg rpg
7.7 avg apg
2.02 avg spg
0.49 avg bpg
4.2 avg topg

I'm not going to calculate the 82game numbers for all of those to adjust for time missed, but they will all be lower.

We gain back the following just with Rubio, and who knows what Mitchell will bring.
836 total pts
11.1 avg ppg
10.2 avg ppg
4.1 avg rpg
9.1 avg apg
1.71 avg spg
0.13 avg bpg
2.6 avg tpp

Rubio himself gives us back a decent portion of what was lost with both of them. His passing and assists will lead to more ppg from others on the team. The others will pick up the slack.

My main question is where will we get the additional 1600 pts we will need? That is almost 20ppg. Here are my thoughts on that.

Rubio was a better shooter in April of last year than he ever was. I hope he will pick it back up and get us 2ppg more.
Rudy was way better offensively at the end of the year than he ever was. If he can average the 17ppg he was doing thats 3 more ppg.
If Hood is healthy and our #1 offensive option his numbers will jump from 13ppg to at least 16ppg. 3 more
If Favors is actually healthy enough to be on the floor, I can easily see him jump from the 10ppg to 15ppg which isn't even the 16ppg he was at pre injury. Thats 5 more.
I can easily see Exum get more time and bump his numbers from 6.2 to 8 or 9. That's 2ppg easily, and being conservative.
If Burks gets time it's easy to see him bump from 6.7 to 9ppg. +2ppg
If Mitchell even gets us 5ppg that's helpful.

Even just adding those possible changes, as one scenario, that adds back about 22ppg. They'll have to do more than that though because we lost more ppg than that due to Mack, Lyles, and Withey going, but I was being conservative. I just wanted to show it is not out of the realm of possibility to add most of the lost points back pretty quickly.

I also think we will can add much more with the dynamic of having a passing point guard. I want to point out that it will be huge if we can have guys when we need them. Hill was out a lot more that I would have liked when we really needed him. That should factor into these numbers and tell a story that is not easy to translate into ppg or wins/losses.

--thoughts? takes? hate mail?

 

[akirac73]

Counting the loss of only Hayward and Hill we lost the following.
2430 total pts
38.8 avg ppg
29.6 82game adjusted ppg
8.8 avg rpg
7.7 avg apg
2.02 avg spg
0.49 avg bpg
4.2 avg topg

I'm not going to calculate the 82game numbers for all of those to adjust for time missed, but they will all be lower.

We gain back the following just with Rubio, and who knows what Marshall will bring.
836 total pts
11.1 avg ppg
10.2 avg ppg
4.1 avg rpg
9.1 avg apg
1.71 avg spg
0.13 avg bpg
2.6 avg tpp

Rubio himself gives us back a decent portion of what was lost with both of them. His passing and assists will lead to more ppg from others on the team. The others will pick up the slack.

My main question is where will we get the additional 1600 pts we will need? That is almost 20ppg. Here are my thoughts on that.

Rubio was a better shooter in April of last year than he ever was. I hope he will pick it back up and get us 2ppg more.
Rudy was way better offensively at the end of the year than he ever was. If he can average the 17ppg he was doing thats 3 more ppg.
If Hood is healthy and our #1 offensive option his numbers will jump from 13ppg to at least 16ppg. 3 more
If Favors is actually healthy enough to be on the floor, I can easily see him jump from the 10ppg to 15ppg which isn't even the 16ppg he was at pre injury. Thats 5 more.
I can easily see Exum get more time and bump his numbers from 6.2 to 8 or 9. That's 2ppg easily, and being conservative.
If Burks gets time it's easy to see him bump from 6.7 to 9ppg. +2ppg
If Marshall even gets us 5ppg that's helpful.

Even just adding those possible changes, as one scenario, that adds back about 22ppg. They'll have to do more than that though because we lost more ppg than that due to Mack, Lyles, and Withey going, but I was being conservative. I just wanted to show it is not out of the realm of possibility to add most of the lost points back pretty quickly.

I also think we will can add much more with the dynamic of having a passing point guard. I want to point out that it will be huge if we can have guys when we need them. Hill was out a lot more that I would have liked when we really needed him. That should factor into these numbers and tell a story that is not easy to translate into ppg or wins/losses.

--thoughts? takes? hate mail?

Who's "Marshall"? Donyell making a comeback?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Wiggins? Parker? Not interested?

Restricted... Parker maybe but if they didn't match I'd be worried they know more than we do. Wiggins getting matched no doubt.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Haven't run the numbers but what would it take for us to take on Dengs contract? Basketball wise as a small ball PF I would like the fit... he's paid probably 3-4 times what he should be and a three year deal is obviously bad but could we get a couple unprotected picks and other stuff (randle Kuzma nance jr)

It could be our Brooklyn trade that brings big assets.

 

[colton]

Counting the loss of only Hayward and Hill we lost the following.
2430 total pts
38.8 avg ppg
29.6 82game adjusted ppg
8.8 avg rpg
7.7 avg apg
2.02 avg spg
0.49 avg bpg
4.2 avg topg

I'm not going to calculate the 82game numbers for all of those to adjust for time missed, but they will all be lower.

We gain back the following just with Rubio, and who knows what Marshall will bring.
836 total pts
11.1 avg ppg
10.2 avg ppg
4.1 avg rpg
9.1 avg apg
1.71 avg spg
0.13 avg bpg
2.6 avg tpp

Rubio himself gives us back a decent portion of what was lost with both of them. His passing and assists will lead to more ppg from others on the team. The others will pick up the slack.

My main question is where will we get the additional 1600 pts we will need? That is almost 20ppg. Here are my thoughts on that.

Rubio was a better shooter in April of last year than he ever was. I hope he will pick it back up and get us 2ppg more.
Rudy was way better offensively at the end of the year than he ever was. If he can average the 17ppg he was doing thats 3 more ppg.
If Hood is healthy and our #1 offensive option his numbers will jump from 13ppg to at least 16ppg. 3 more
If Favors is actually healthy enough to be on the floor, I can easily see him jump from the 10ppg to 15ppg which isn't even the 16ppg he was at pre injury. Thats 5 more.
I can easily see Exum get more time and bump his numbers from 6.2 to 8 or 9. That's 2ppg easily, and being conservative.
If Burks gets time it's easy to see him bump from 6.7 to 9ppg. +2ppg
If Marshall even gets us 5ppg that's helpful.

Even just adding those possible changes, as one scenario, that adds back about 22ppg.

My main problem with that is that you've looked at total pts when seeing what we've lost, but then when thinking about replacements you've looked at ppg. The issue is that those players will not play in all 82 games. You also need to adjust for expected games lost to have a realistic scenario.

 

[SCS]

Haven't run the numbers but what would it take for us to take on Dengs contract? Basketball wise as a small ball PF I would like the fit... he's paid probably 3-4 times what he should be and a three year deal is obviously bad but could we get a couple unprotected picks and other stuff (randle Kuzma nance jr)

It could be our Brooklyn trade that brings big assets.

Lonzo Ball, Brandon Ingram, 3 first round picks unprotected and cash.... And that is still probably not enough. Taking Deng's contract is a deathnail to this team. It would officially be wasting Gobert's prime years.