NBA Playoffs

[Deleted member 365]

Booker with a -41 yesterday. Oof

The entire Mavs starting lineup +- is out of this world.

 

[LoPo]

Collins can’t shoot though. He’s not a skilled player. He’s more JSmooth than Al Horford

John Collins:
6'9" 235
Career 37.6% shooter from 3
78% from the free throw line
Career 60% EFG%
Career 8.3 rebounds per game
Career 16.5 points per game
Career 1.6 assists per game
4 seasons where he averaged over 16ppg

Horford:
6'9" 240
Career 36% shooter from 3
76% from the free throw line
Career 54.4% EFG%
Career 8.2 rebounds per game
Career 13.7 points per game
Career 3.3 assists per game
3 seasons where he averaged over 16ppg

Steals, blocks, turnovers per game are almost identical between the two players. I don't see why Collins couldn't have a very long career as a PF/C much like Horford has had.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

This has been coming for quite some time now. Feeding the post and going to work has started to die out. I used to love watching it, but those days are gone.

Players are so athletic and skilled these days. Centers like Bam and Horford are really all the big man you need. These teams can sprinkle in a guy like Williams, but its not sustainable with so much skill and shooting on the floor.

Thats why I love a guy like John Collins. He's probably got another 10+ years as a valuable player. He can play PF or C, he can shoot, rebound, attack off the dribble and his defense is improving.

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John Collins at the 5 is gonna look more like Al Jefferson on defense than Al Horford. He’d be the worst defender in the Celtics starting 5 and the 4th worst in Dallas.

 

[LoPo]

John Collins at the 5 is gonna look more like Al Jefferson on defense than Al Horford. He’d be the worst defender in the Celtics starting 5 and the 4th worst in Dallas.

Horford is a better defender. Not arguing that at all. He even got better, especially on the perimeter, as time went on. Horford is also probably the 5th worst defender on Boston. That team is loaded with switchable defenders.

I believe that Collins has improved as a defender, and can get to a point where he is good enough as a small ball center defensively. Offensively, he could be a major force if used correctly.

 

[LogGrad98]

So, find the next Dok, roger that.

We should buy into the late 2nd round. Usually lots of Dok clones available then. We could have our pick of them!


Pun intended.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Horford is a better defender. Not arguing that at all. He even got better, especially on the perimeter, as time went on. Horford is also probably the 5th worst defender on Boston. That team is loaded with switchable defenders.

I believe that Collins has improved as a defender, and can get to a point where he is good enough as a small ball center defensively. Offensively, he could be a major force if used correctly.

Horford is the 2nd best defender in that starting lineup. Williams is great against Giannis but he’s not as versatile as Al.

Collins isn’t the same size as Al… 1-1.5 inches shorter and Al is 7+ wingspan. Al has played the majority of his minutes at center… Collins hardly ever does it. He survived for a few minutes a game at center in a playoff series. I’d be shocked if he can ever do it for more than 8 minutes a night and be effective at all.

 

[LoPo]

Horford is the 2nd best defender in that starting lineup. Williams is great against Giannis but he’s not as versatile as Al.

Collins isn’t the same size as Al… 1-1.5 inches shorter and Al is 7+ wingspan. Al has played the majority of his minutes at center… Collins hardly ever does it. He survived for a few minutes a game at center in a playoff series. I’d be shocked if he can ever do it for more than 8 minutes a night and be effective at all.

These are from the combine, and their measurements are almost identical.

Horford:
w/shoes 6'9.75"
Standing Reach 8'11"
Wingspan 7'.75"

Collins:
w/shoes 6'9.5"
Standing Reach 8'10.5"
Wingspan 6'11.25"

Somebody made the point that Collins could never be Horford because Horford is more skilled and Collins isn't as good of a shooter. Collins is actually a better offensive player than Horford.

Horford has played primarily center in his career, and has been a great success. I don't think Collins would be Al Horford because every player is different. If Collins was given more time at C, I think he could progress nicely.

 

[Cptgrnlngs22]

Collins can’t shoot though. He’s not a skilled player. He’s more JSmooth than Al Horford

Him and Al play different styles. Collins is way more athletic than Horford. I think he will be a really good player in his career. May never see an all star game but he is definitely a skilled player.


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[Handlogten's Heros]

These are from the combine, and their measurements are almost identical.

Horford:
w/shoes 6'9.75"
Standing Reach 8'11"
Wingspan 7'.75"

Collins:
w/shoes 6'9.5"
Standing Reach 8'10.5"
Wingspan 6'11.25"

Somebody made the point that Collins could never be Horford because Horford is more skilled and Collins isn't as good of a shooter. Collins is actually a better offensive player than Horford.

Horford has played primarily center in his career, and has been a great success. I don't think Collins would be Al Horford because every player is different. If Collins was given more time at C, I think he could progress nicely.

Collins lost an inch in official nba measurements… If you think of Collins as a small ball center I think you’ll be quite disappointed. He may masquerade there for 8-10 minutes a night but the other guys would have to be good sized wings who are great defenders.

He may be great as a roll/pop guy in PnR… but I think you’d need a solid stretch 5 to have success there.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Him and Al play different styles. Collins is way more athletic than Horford. I think he will be a really good player in his career. May never see an all star game but he is definitely a skilled player.


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I think Collins best outcome is as a stretchy Boozer.

 

[LoPo]

Collins lost an inch in official nba measurements… If you think of Collins as a small ball center I think you’ll be quite disappointed. He may masquerade there for 8-10 minutes a night but the other guys would have to be good sized wings who are great defenders.

He may be great as a roll/pop guy in PnR… but I think you’d need a solid stretch 5 to have success there.

That's fair. I think Collins playing half of his minutes at center is completely reasonable though.

 

[Cptgrnlngs22]

Horford is the 2nd best defender in that starting lineup. Williams is great against Giannis but he’s not as versatile as Al.

Collins isn’t the same size as Al… 1-1.5 inches shorter and Al is 7+ wingspan. Al has played the majority of his minutes at center… Collins hardly ever does it. He survived for a few minutes a game at center in a playoff series. I’d be shocked if he can ever do it for more than 8 minutes a night and be effective at all.

Al has a 2” reach on Collins and they are the same height. So they are pretty close to the same size lol. I think John Collins would dominate as a small ball 5. He is fast and athletic and doesn’t shy away from defensive effort.


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