NBA Using Hayward for "Good Dad" PSA

[candrew]

lol

I think his comment deserves more than an "lol" from you.

Mongoose clearly did not mention any race yet you automatically assumed he was talking about black players - there are plenty of white athletes with illegitimate children.

Considering your smug original post I find it hilarious that you're the one who got bagged. Maybe look in the mirror a little bit?

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

I think his comment deserves more than an "lol" from you.

Mongoose clearly did not mention any race yet you automatically assumed he was talking about black players - there are plenty of white athletes with illegitimate children.

Considering your smug original post I find it hilarious that you're the one who got bagged. Maybe look in the mirror a little bit?

Those posts yesterday were a total anomaly from Siro. I have mad respect for that guy.

 

[silesian]

You couldn't just chuckle at an obvious joke?

Yep, it was hilarious. Showing off Hayward's attractive wife. So. Funny.

 

[Siro]

I think his comment deserves more than an "lol" from you.

Mongoose clearly did not mention any race yet you automatically assumed he was talking about black players - there are plenty of white athletes with illegitimate children.

Considering your smug original post I find it hilarious that you're the one who got bagged. Maybe look in the mirror a little bit?

Those posts yesterday were a total anomaly from Siro. I have mad respect for that guy.

My original comment wasn't meant to be taken seriously, but since it was met with overreaction, I guess I'll respond.

Race doesn't have to be specifically mentioned for a statement to be racist. If you don't see a connection between the stereotype of black men with kids all over town, and the NBA being centered around black men, then we might as well throw the part of the brain that understands context in the trash. The statement only makes sense in relation to the stereotype. Would Mongoose say the same in reference to a similar piece about a Hollywood celebrity? Of course not. It would make no sense, and there would be no need for a philosophical defense about fertility and the nature of fame and power.

Now Mongoose might have been talking about a famous people stereotype that I've never heard of, but his response about not having mentioned race is nonsense. "lol" was more than it deserved, really.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

My original comment wasn't meant to be taken seriously, but since it was met with overreaction, I guess I'll respond.

Race doesn't have to be specifically mentioned for a statement to be racist. If you don't see a connection between the stereotype of black men with kids all over town, and the NBA being centered around black men, then we might as well throw the part of the brain that understands context in the trash. The statement only makes sense in relation to the stereotype. Would Mongoose say the same in reference to a similar piece about a Hollywood celebrity? Of course not. It would make no sense, and there would be no need for a philosophical defense about fertility and the nature of fame and power.

Now Mongoose might have been talking about a famous people stereotype that I've never heard of, but his response about not having mentioned race is nonsense. "lol" was more than it deserved, really.

So if I tease a rancher about not fitting in with all of the other ranchers because he's never taken over a wildlife refuge I'm being racist because the faces that come to mind when I make that statement are white?

In the midst of my divorce my ex started telling people that I had been physically abusive throughout the course of our marriage. I guarantee that no such thing ever happened and she knew it, but because of a necessary bias built into the system (it's important that we take such accusations seriously) her words had immediate and lasting negative consequences for me. In the long run such unfounded accusations will weaken our reactions to valid accusations. That's bad. The same is true of accusing someone of being racist. Only Mongoose knows if there was racist intent behind his comments. In this case his words did not seem racist to me.

 

[Siro]

So if I tease a rancher about not fitting in with all of the other ranchers because he's never taken over a wildlife refuge I'm being racist because the faces that come to mind when I make that statement are white?

Okay, so we agree that he was referring to the stereotype about black men having illegitimate children then? Your example doesn't fit because it is not about race. Had someone said something about a Southerner not getting along with his peers because he doesn't practice incest, it would be a pretty racist comment, don't you think?

In the midst of my divorce my ex started telling people that I had been physically abusive throughout the course of our marriage. I guarantee that no such thing ever happened and she knew it, but because of a necessary bias built into the system (it's important that we take such accusations seriously) her words had immediate and lasting negative consequences for me. In the long run such unfounded accusations will weaken our reactions to valid accusations. That's bad. The same is true of accusing someone of being racist. Only Mongoose knows if there was racist intent behind his comments. In this case his words did not seem racist to me.

The racial interpretation was the most obvious one. And I didn't make a fuss about it. I just threw a light jab in his direction. What you're saying about reserving judgement is not realistic. We judge people by their words and actions all the time. There is nothing inherently wrong about that. Mongoose could have explained what he meant, if he actually meant something else. Or he could have said that it was just a joke, which it likely was. But he instead stood his ground on the basis that a statement cannot be racist unless a race is explicitly mentioned. And that is an absurd thing to say.

 

[Stoked]

Sweet! A good dad ad got turned into a sexist, racist debate!

Go Jazzfanz!

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Okay, so we agree that he was referring to the stereotype about black men having illegitimate children then?

I agree that it was about men having illegitimate children. Their race is irrelevant, but obviously it meant something different to you. Peace, out.

 

[Gameface]

Since we're already there. I did kind of get a "white-splaining" vibe because a white NBA player is being used to promote fatherhood to the NBA and their audience.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Since we're already there. I did kind of get a "white-splaining" vibe because a white NBA player is being used to promote fatherhood to the NBA and their audience.

Damn, can't win with some people these days. IMO, PC culture has seriously ****ed people up.

 

[Gameface]

Damn, can't win with some people these days. IMO, PC culture has seriously ****ed people up.

You can win with me. I wasn't really addressing my comment to you.

Using a white dad in the NBA to show the NBA and their fans what a good dad looks like is what it is. I don't think this is a serious issue (the using of a white player) but to act like there isn't a stereotype regarding black fathers is not intellectually honest. Fact is, there is a HUGE problem in poor black neighborhoods (a place where the NBA is probably especially popular) with absent fathers. That's a real problem that needs to be addressed. I don't have a problem with them using Hayward to make their feelgood commercial, but it is a little amusing.

So who's taking this issue a little too seriously? I don't think it's me. I don't think it's Siro.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

You can win with me. I wasn't really addressing my comment to you.

Using a white dad in the NBA to show the NBA and their fans what a good dad looks like is what it is. I don't think this is a serious issue (the using of a white player) but to act like there isn't a stereotype regarding black fathers is not intellectually honest. Fact is, there is a HUGE problem in poor black neighborhoods (a place where the NBA is probably especially popular) with absent fathers. That's a real problem that needs to be addressed. I don't have a problem with them using Hayward to make their feelgood commercial, but it is a little amusing.

So who's taking this issue a little too seriously? I don't think it's me. I don't think it's Siro.

Well, I agree that it would be cool to see similar commercials with other NBA stars, and I can definitely see why seeing black fathers fully engaged with their families would be a good thing for the black community.