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//r00t 4 Jazz said:
Salmon, I agree with and was thinking that Dilfer was a good comparison for Orton and while I understand the underrated feeling due to the fact no team seemingly wants to keep him at the same time I can't blame a team (like Miami) not giving up a lot to get him. I would also compare him to the old Miami QB Jay Fiedler he got the Phins to a couple of playoff appearances after Marino retired (sadly Fiedler is probably the best QB they've had since Marino retired) but he's not a guy that can win you games especially in the playoffs.
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Too funny. I was actually going to compare him to Fiedler too. I was a Miami fan when he was there and I loved the guy. When they made the playoffs, it was their great defense that buckled more than anything else. Thomas, Taylor, Surtain, that other other corner (was it Buckley?), they all crumbled.
 
jazzman12 said:
Alot of solid points.

However, I don't think Miami is waiting too long on Henne. He did sit as a back-up for most of his first year and he's actually shown himself to be quite capable as an NFL starter. The question with Henne is whether or not he can cut down on his INTs and progress beyond his first 1 or 2 reads.

All the other intangibles are there. If his decision making improves, Miami has a pretty good QB.
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I never mentioned Henne and I agree with you.
 
SalmonHobo said:
I never mentioned Henne and I agree with you.
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Understood. I was just applying Henne to the example of waiting too long on a QB.

And Brownnotes, the Daboll hire made me sick when it happened. I'm still unhappy with it, but after an offseason to dwell on it I've decided to take a wait and see approach. Aside from Hillis, he had next to nothing to work with. Especially at QB. Delhome has been done for awhile and while I know that some Browns fans are excited about McCoy, I don't share their excitement.

So far, Miami players are giving really positive feedback about Daboll. Who know's if it's all lip service or what, but I do know one thing: At least he's not Dan Henning.
 
Ok so my post didn't make it through and I'm not retyping it.

Take a look at this list and notice how many of the 'top' QB's waited a few years to sit and wait and learn.
Rodgers
Brady
P. Manning
Brees
Rivers
Roethlisberger
Vick
Romo
E. Manning
Schaub
Flacco
Ryan
Bradford
Cutler
Freeman
Cassell
Girrard
Orton

With the money in the game now teams can't afford to pay a high priced QB to ride the bench. Throw him in there, get him experience, and find out if he is the QB of your team for the next 8 to 10 years. If not, start the cycle over again with another QB.
 
Any Charger fans on the board? Looking for some thoughts on ILB Kevin Burnett. The Phins signed him to play alongside Karlos Dansby and cut Channing Crowder in the process. Just going off of Burnett's stats, he's an instant upgrade (Crowder is a slug).
 
jazzman12 said:
Any Charger fans on the board? Looking for some thoughts on ILB Kevin Burnett. The Phins signed him to play alongside Karlos Dansby and cut Channing Crowder in the process. Just going off of Burnett's stats, he's an instant upgrade (Crowder is a slug).
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There is such a thing as a Chargers fan?
 
jazzman12 said:
And Brownnotes, the Daboll hire made me sick when it happened. I'm still unhappy with it, but after an offseason to dwell on it I've decided to take a wait and see approach. Aside from Hillis, he had next to nothing to work with. Especially at QB. Delhome has been done for awhile and while I know that some Browns fans are excited about McCoy, I don't share their excitement.

So far, Miami players are giving really positive feedback about Daboll. Who know's if it's all lip service or what, but I do know one thing: At least he's not Dan Henning.
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More and more has been coming out regarding Mangini's coaching. It has not been good. Perhaps Daboll is innocent but I doubt it. The fact is, nobody talked to, gave reps to, or otherwise prepped Colt for the first Steelers game whatsoever. Even if Mangini wanted some sort of subterfuge Daboll should have done something to coach up Colt. But no, nothing. I don't care who your head coach is. If you're the OC and you know your top two QBs are hurt you better have something to do with the QB you have left. Colt played like a demon in that game as it turns out but he had zero prep.
 
Brown Notes said:
More and more has been coming out regarding Mangini's coaching. It has not been good. Perhaps Daboll is innocent but I doubt it. The fact is, nobody talked to, gave reps to, or otherwise prepped Colt for the first Steelers game whatsoever. Even if Mangini wanted some sort of subterfuge Daboll should have done something to coach up Colt. But no, nothing. I don't care who your head coach is. If you're the OC and you know your top two QBs are hurt you better have something to do with the QB you have left. Colt played like a demon in that game as it turns out but he had zero prep.
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I'm more concerned about the X's and O's that Daboll is bringing to the table. If camp is any indication, Miami's offense is looking much more aggressive than it did under Henning, and more importantly, it's also looking much more aggressive than Daboll's offense in Cleveland. How much of a role did Mangini have in dumbing down Cleveland's offense? It remains to be seen, but so far the offensive players in Miami seemed to be really excited Daboll and his offense.
 
He's going to have your QB throw deep a lot, and has an unusual aversion to screens.

In Cleveland it seemed like he only ran about 5 plays. That was maybe because Colt was running the offense without a lot of support from the coaches, and was still nursing that bum shoulder from the previous year. He didn't have a lot of arm last season.

2009 was an utter abomination. Granted, Quinn/Anderson throwing to rookies and scrubs is not a recipe for the playoffs but that offense was just f'n ugly. He made a lot of very, very bad play calls.
 
Tebow looked good running with the 2's - 5/6 - 90 some yards - Did throw a Pick that was nullified but also ran a TD that was nullified.
I will say that Fox will turn that team around and Denvers Defense will be much better this year.

Also New England laid the smack down on Jacksonville but the rookie QB for the Jags looked good - 4 dropped passes including a crucial one that would have put them at the 10.

Mallett will be a good follow up to Brady here in a few years as well. Always though he would be a good NFL QB if he keeps his head on straight.

Phillip Rivers may just lead the league in TD's this year with Jackson back as well.

How long until Trent Edwards is the starting QB over Jason Campbell in Oakland?

Paul Kruger - 4 Tackles, 1 Sack, 1 TFL
Max Hall - 4/4 - 66 Yards - 1 TD - 0 INT
 
I still think Denver should wait at least another year for Tebow to start. His accuracy is trash and he will get eaten up by first team defenses.
 
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