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fishonjazz said:
See I think you should use the word "might" help us since we don't really know.
Had ersan proved he was an NBA player before?
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So everyone should qualify every statement with a "might" then... Ersan had proved he was an nba player... he also proved he was long in the tooth. He might have been useful in the right situation... Craig would have been useful in many more situations.
 
LoPo said:
You really think Craig is on the same level as Crowder?
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Craig's defense and athletic ability is definitely better, but pretty much everything else Crowder is better at. I don't think either is a big part of phoenix's success. Crowder is probably about slightly less important than Royce is to us.
 
nothingbutnet said:
Show me a game where that has ever happened. With guys who play defense you know their defense shows up every night.
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Nah. Rudy is actually a really good defender. I saw games against the clippers when his defense didn't show up.
Good defenders have had defensive games all time.
I think tucker us a good defender.
Durant scored 48 against him and had his best scoring playoff series of his entire career.

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fishonjazz said:
Nah. Rudy is actually a really good defender. I saw games against the clippers when his defense didn't show up.
Good defenders have had defensive games all time.
I think tucker us a good defender.
Durant scored 48 against him and had his best scoring playoff series of his entire career.

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That’s correct any other defender and he probably scores 60 and wins.
 
Ron Mexico said:
It's not like Utah is the least liked place in the NBA by athletes, oh wait.

It's fine you obsessed over Jazz getting Shaq and we did. Not it's an obsession over not getting this guy.

Personally I agree we need an upgrade at forward and wing. More options/utility in the playoffs is important. I think these type of guys are less the issue and our major players need to be changed. We need a good defensive 3/4 that is athletic, can play defense, switch on defense, and make an open shot. That needs to be a guy who can get major minutes. Right now the closest thing to that is Royce. We need another and better equipped for quicker players.

Do you think if we signed Craig we win the series? I personally think we will lose. We need a major upgrade like trading Bojan, Conley, or Clarkson to win that series. Or we needed a healthy roster. Or we needed coaching to be different. But I think a case could be made for plenty of other options.
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So I guess maybe don't sign anyone then... because what if they don't like it here.

Shaq could have helped us. He wasn't viewed as a wing. He was seen as less than Oni... so they let him go.

I don't know that Craig flips the series... I said as much... I know that Niang was actively bad and really hurt us. I know that we had multiple holes on the roster and didn't address them. I know that it came back and hurt us when all we had on the bench was unproven guys and limited athletic options. I know we had chances to change that. I know that we did not give ourselves the best chance to win the series.
 
Ron Mexico said:
Maybe the Jazz didn't want Craig because Mitchell burned him so bad in the playoffs they thought he would never recover.
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Then the Jazz are dumb AF... Craig isn't the type of guy you want guarding Mitchell... he's better on the bigger wings and guys like Morris. I would think the Jazz would be smart enough to realize this since we send Royce out there to get murdered by the Damian Lillard types on the reg... even though Royce is a good defender.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
So everyone should qualify every statement with a "might" then... Ersan had proved he was an nba player... he also proved he was long in the tooth. He might have been useful in the right situation... Craig would have been useful in many more situations.
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We don't even know Craig would have played.
Let's say the jazz had Craig this season. Quin likes spacing on offense and running guys off the 3 point line into Rudy on defense. Did that worj this season? I think so. We set lots of records offensively and we were number one defending the three and were really good defending the paint and keeping guys off the 3 point line. I think we were top 3 defensively and offensively.
Is Craig better than niang at providing spacing? Would he run guys in to Rudy or try to stop then himself more. Would our offensive and defensive ratings been better than top three with Craig instead of niang?
I doubt it. I think quin would have played niang all throughout the regular season like he did. I think he would have tried to play niang in both playoff series of we look at quins history at making adjustments and lineup changes.
Let's say he plays Craig for niangs minutes vs the clippers. I still think we loose. Let's say Craig's guy just can't get past Craig in the minutes Craig is in. So they just attack Clarkson or Mitchell or bogey or whoever instead. Rudy comes into the paint to help. Clippers find the open man. Three pointer.

Hell, the clippers are doing quite well against the suns who even have the mighty Craig. If Paul George makes 2 free throws the clippers are up 3-2 right now and might finish the suns in 6.
If the refs review an out of bounds call at the end of the previous suns clippers game that obviously of the suns player then the clippers might have finished the suns in 5 even with the contributions of the mighty Craig.

I think we are finding out that maybe the clippers are good. Even against a team led by Torrey Craig they still have a chance

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Ron Mexico said:
Some of the issues aren't players but the approach, some are the opposite.

I have no problem with the approach the Jazz took to drafting last year. Personally I preferred to trade the pick for a decent vet since we are in a small window. But drafting based on position and need is a terrible idea. Maybe he was the wrong pick but if they really thought he was the best player available then take him regardless of position.

Matt Thomas seems like he sucks but maybe he'll get better. But regardless of how good he was he was picked up for the future. We shouldn't be doing that this season. We should have gone after someone to help us now.

Ersan was the right type of player and the right type of move imo. I think he should have got a little burn when favors was struggling multiple games in a row either due to fatigue, injuries, or fatigue.
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I agree with much of this. I don't draft for need but I also don't believe in drafting non-shooting, non-playmaking centers unless they are so damn special you can't pass them up. And if they are that special you don't sign a veteran to come in and play ahead of them for 3 years.

Thomas is trash and the type of guy you can't play in the playoffs because he will get cooked. We needed help now.

Agree on Ersan but he was also a limited option. Not sure the Clips series was the one for him. We needed at least one or two other types of proven players on the bench.
 
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