Game Thread Nov 02, 2025 04:00PM MT: Utah Jazz @ Charlotte Hornets

[KqWIN]

I mean, the Jazz have tried potential upside swings with unathletic players A LOT in this era with Keyonte, Brice, Cody, Collier, and Filipowski. All swinging on upside based on their shot creation.

Ace is the first player since Hendricks to legitimately have good tools that they drafted.

(the fact that all of guys have pretty awful tools other than Ace and Markkanen is probably one reason why we're so bad defensively)

Well, every prospect is an upside play based on their shot creation to some extent. It’s not like all of those players listed are similar. You’re using “upside swing” really loosely here.

The point is that you can’t box a guy into a floor/ceiling and that the traditional youth/length/athleticism measures of potential don’t really tell the whole story. There are some athletic freaks that develop all the skills once they get into the NBA, but that’s not everyone who hits on a high outcome and I don’t think it’s even the most common.

 

[HadAnEffectHere]

Well, every prospect is an upside play based on their shot creation to some extent. It’s not like all of those players listed are similar. You’re using “upside swing” really loosely here.

The point is that you can’t box a guy into a floor/ceiling and that the traditional youth/length/athleticism measures of potential don’t really tell the whole story. There are some athletic freaks that develop all the skills once they get into the NBA, but that’s not everyone who hits on a high outcome and I don’t think it’s even the most common.

I think all five of those guys were drafted pretty high based on shot creation potential despite their lack of tools as shot creation is the most valuable skill. That's what I'm saying to be clear.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I don’t know how to tell the cowards that this outcome is awesome.

One more year of this bull ****… pretty sure.

The universally good news: Lauri putting up crazy numbers and Keyonte’s leap looks real.

This is the natural end to the tank. Next year having 3 picks and if we are play in good or just below... maybe the lotto gods smile upon us. Not expected to be a good draft in 2027.

Whether or not we land top 3 I think the tank is over and we go to trying to be okay... may or may not try to short cut it but we won't be sellers.

 

[tksavis]

Just wanted to jump in here and ask how all the Kon haters are doing?

I don't think beating up on the Jazz defense is super impressive at the moment.

 

[HadAnEffectHere]

This is the natural end to the tank. Next year having 3 picks and if we are play in good or just below... maybe the lotto gods smile upon us. Not expected to be a good draft in 2027.

Whether or not we land top 3 I think the tank is over and we go to trying to be okay... may or may not try to short cut it but we won't be sellers.

Ehh, Lauri is absolutely getting traded very soon so while it's the end of intentional losing, we have nothing serious other than him so we'll here for 2-6 years after this year.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I don't think beating up on the Jazz defense is super impressive at the moment.

He's been good all year.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Ehh, Lauri is absolutely getting traded very soon so while it's the end of intentional losing, we have nothing serious other than him so we'll here for 2-6 years after this year.

I think if Lauri is traded this season it will be for an offer that wows us. I think I could see a Lauri trade if we drafted Cam Boozer.

 

[HadAnEffectHere]

I think if Lauri is traded this season it will be for an offer that wows us. I think I could see a Lauri trade if we drafted Cam Boozer.

Lauri is getting force fed to a comical degree and we have three other PFs on the roster he's blocking any possible development for (Filipowski, Hendricks, Ace), this is a scheme to juice his stats before moving him to the Spurs for 2-3 picks.

Like, I don't think Ace is a fantastic prospect or anything, but he and Lauri are just a comically bad fit together and you don't pick Ace over Tre and Fears if you plan to keep Lauri.

A starting forward group of two PFs who can't pass or dribble is uhh, not what you want from a team building perspective, lol.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Lauri is getting force fed to a comical degree and we have three other PFs on the roster he's blocking any possible development for (Filipowski, Hendricks, Ace), this is a scheme to juice his stats before moving him to the Spurs for 2-3 picks.

Like, I don't think Ace is a fantastic prospect or anything, but he and Lauri are just a comically bad fit together and you don't pick Ace over Tre and Fears if you play to keep Lauri.

Ace is a SF to me. Taylor and Flip not exactly lighting the world on fire. I understand the line of thinking. I also think he's being force fed because he's our best player by far and has been performing at a very high level.

 

[HadAnEffectHere]

Ace is a SF to me. Taylor and Flip not exactly lighting the world on fire. I understand the line of thinking. I also think he's being force fed because he's our best player by far and has been performing at a very high level.

Ace is too unskilled to play SF and is defensively better long-term at PF due to his rebounding and shot blocking. Regardless if he's a SF or PF, he can't pass or dribble and is quite literally the worst possible forward complement to Lauri (whose main weaknesses are being unable to pass or dribble).

Obviously Ace is not strong enough to play PF for 3-4 years, but he's a long-term PF who fits very badly with Lauri by having their worst flaws overlap.

I think as soon as the Jazz dumped Collins and Sexton for nothing and picked Ace over Fears and Tre, it was clear Lauri was done in Utah as soon as his trade market picked up.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Ace is too unskilled to play SF and is defensively better long-term at PF due to his rebounding and shot blocking. Regardless if he's a SF or PF, he can't pass or dribble and is quite literally the worst possible forward complement to Lauri (whose main weaknesses are being unable to pass or dribble).

Obviously Ace is not strong enough to play PF for 3-4 years, but he's a long-term PF who fits very badly with Lauri by having their worst flaws overlap.

He's actually made some nice passes. I think he can play either forward spot. Its not an ideal fit with Lauri. I just don't think they are looking to move Lauri until they get a big offer or have someone like Boozer who clearly overlaps and has a higher ceiling.

Unless they are high level firsts - think Kings, Pels, type firsts - I don't think a couple firsts changes things for us. Maybe Det rolls out a few firsts and Holland and that is enough.

 

[Tanktastic]

Whether or not we land top 3 I think the tank is over and we go to trying to be okay... may or may not try to short cut it but we won't be sellers.

Exactly how does that happen? How do the Jazz become okay (some might say: mid) from this starting point? By getting guys like Collins, Sexton, Olynyk etc.?

And if the Jazz not only do not get a top3 pick, but don't get the franchise-altering player with said pick, the whole "multi-year contender or nothing" was just ********, right?