Obama Government Shutdown?

[RobDMB]

Our national government has become completely out of touch with the people they serve. From the President to the Senate to the House of Representatives they ALL have major flaws. Our government on a federal level is more about the show and the glitz than they are about the meat and potatoes. Draft a law with input from people who know? Read? Be informed? Spend time actually doing my job instead of speaking to people about how special I am?.. that can't be right? I wanna see somebody put their money where their mouth is and refuse their federal pay and subject themselves to the same laws we all get. And LIFETIME benefits? That is bull! I con't claim to have all the answers, but what our government has become needs reform. Democracy is still worth it, just not like this.


My $0.02

 

[cowhide]

Elections work both ways. America is divided enough that compromise is a must. Since neither side is they are both to blame. Nice attempt to paint the Presidents election as the only one that matters though. This shutdown shows that is wrong.

Why have elections then? I guess you forgot how after winning back the House in 2010 the Republicans used this victory to continue their nonsense of saying NO to everything that the president wants to do. They actually said it was the people who were voicing their dissatisfaction with "failed" Obama policies. Yet when the president is re-elected they ignore the people and continue to act like spoiled 2 year olds.

Sorry the winning side does the least amount of compromise. Bush got to invade Iraq because he "won" the election. Besides the Democrats rolled over and made comprises about taxes. They had to or Boehner would have kept crying. No one wins and both sides share some of the blame.

However, most polls show the GOP getting most of the blame which they have earned with their 40+ attempts at defunding a law and 240 + filibusters. They are going against a Conservative Supreme Court decision and the majority of the people. Yes the majority of the people because Obama won the majority of the votes running on implement Obamacare.

 

[cowhide]

Actually imo this happens because Americans are lazy. They largely refuse to truly get into the issues and understand the implications of legislation or candidate positions and vote how their friends or the media tells them to. Or vote on one or two hot button topics for them personally. "That guy needs to be voted down, he is against abortion." Or whatever.

Politicians understand this very well and turn every election and every debate on legislation into soundbites and sharp witty remarks aimed at the lowest common denominators. Get people pissed off or outraged and you get their support regardless of what is really best, or even relevant.

Romney makes a lot of money? That *******! **** him! I'd like to go golfing with Obama, he'd make a great president. He has a nice smile and sounds so smart! He's got my vote!

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So only smart people vote for Romney. LMAO!! I remember how many republicans said they voted for GW because they could see having a beer with him. My landlord didn't vote for Obama because he didn't want a N@#%$ in the White house. Sorry both sides have knuckleheads voting.

 

[cowhide]

It is not a generality, it is a fact. The nation voted in a Republican house that ran on removing Obamacare.

Edit: To be clear I am not defending the republicans as I see no sign of compromise from those idiots either.

There you going again, Obama won both elections and the debate about Obamacare so says the final decision-maker in the land: The Supreme Court (Conservative one).

 

[cowhide]

Why pass any law if you can shut down a government to delay/kill it? What's the point of passing laws?

Exactly.

 

[Revolution 9]

The majority of people don't want this method of fighting obamacare. This is NOT what they voted for.

They have lost the fight, and now just acting like spoiled children. Give it up. You've milked the process for all it's worth, and lost.
Accept it, and move to improve.

 

[cowhide]

I think democrats should vote to defund the Iraq war like they ran on for a decade.

Well the democrats missed their chance but this is an example of how the democrats rolled over/compromised their principles to the majority party to keep things moving along.

 

[cowhide]

Term limits, no more life time pay or health insurance, they are subject to any law they pass, cannot vote themselves raises, removal of their 5 star catering. Make them spend that money into the local economy.

Pass those and things will start to change.

That's a start. How about getting rid of lobbying and campaign financing.

 

[Revolution 9]

"We're very excited," Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minnesota) told the Washington Post. "It's exactly what we wanted, and we got it."

someone's happy

 

[cowhide]

I like some things about the ACA. Such as no copays for preventative appointments for minor kids. Covering kids on your insurance till they are 26 (didn't go far enough in my opinion)...

Obamacare isn't perfect but a least it isn't ignoring the problem. What most republicans don't get is that Obamacare is the compromise. Democrats wanted a one payor system and that is why no healthcare passed during the Clinton years. ACA is similar to what the GOP brought to the table. So they were ok with Romneycare but once it became a democratic/Obama idea then it became a socialists program.

 

[cowhide]

This is one example on the left side of things. There are plenty of examples of this on the right side of things. The right had control under Bush and they did a lot of bad deals as well.

Are you actually comparing Iraq to Obamacare? The point of candrew's post is that the president won the election and debate over this issue so he shouldn't have to compromise. Yes it is true that Bush invading Iraq was a bad thing but he still got to do what he wanted to even though he didn't have the majority wanting him elected. The way the system works is the winners get to have more of their stuff passed because they won. You don't have to like or agree with it but that has pretty much worked that way until recently when the GOP/TP think they can ignore the will of the people regardless of the election results. Do you actually think the republicans would compromise if they were in charge? They didn't on Iraq!!!

 

[Jazz Spazz]

Bipartisanship



















I just wanted to say that buzz word for absolutely no reason.