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Craig K. Manscill said:
Look, 9/11 was an attack planned out by all the Muslims in the world. They all got together in this little conference room and were like, "Hey guys... we gotta kill some Americans." And now they're planting a place of worship there?! Terrible. The only thing I want in that space is a place for American worship. You know, hard, unsoiled Christianity.

Plus, like Thriller, I would prefer it if Obama pandered to the votes of people who hate all Muslims than say the "right thing".

- Craig
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Does this guy think he's funny?
 
UB said:
Who is the little bitch in this thread that gave me negative rep and called me a liberal idiot?

I won't argue with you. But you should stand behind your statements and identify yourself.
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Okay, you are funny. The mystery lives ooooooooooon.
 
Clutch, remember Jesus taught in Matthew 3:18 to "love thy neighbor as you love thyself" and your love doesn't seem very apparent right now. Are you sure you're Christian, or are you just going because your mom does? If so, come talk to me in my office someday, I'll give you a blessing.

-Craig
 
I love how some people in here will basically trip over themselves in an effort to show how "PC" they are.

It's a horrible idea to let a Mosque be built near the 9-11 site for quite a few reasons and non of them stem from hatred or bigotry. They stem from common sense:

-First of all, it is common practice in the history of Islam to build Mosques on sites of conquest. I could bombard you with links backing up this fact but it's pretty easy to find for yourself if you'd like to take the time. Knowing this fact makes me wonder about the intent on why the people pushing for this mosque want to put it so close to the 9-11 site. Coincidence? Maybe, but IMO, not likely.

-While it might be the right of the Islam religion to put a mosque so close to the site, that doesn't mean it's a good idea. What about the sensitivities involved with those who lost loved ones that day? Why don't the Islamic folks pushing for this see what a hurftul issue this could be to many people and take the higher road?
 
The Thriller said:
Who cares about the constitution?

Who cares about what's right?

You people make great points, but they're all ideological. Quit w/your philosophy class nonsense and go back to simple high school. If you want to maintain power you do what's popular, not what's right or in accordance with the law.


It's not necessarily scoring points, it's losing points that's going to happen by his stance on this. The vast majority could care less about "freedom of religion" and being "politically correct."

The media spins this as evil Muslim Nazi/Communist/antiChrist Obama is disrespecting those victims of 9/11. I don't think most Americans will care much about freedom of religion as much as the message that's been spewed that we're allowing a Mosque to be built near ground zero. History has proven time after time again that the people of this country don't give a rats *** about the constitution depending on which media source they're glued to. Red Scare anyone? I thought allowing blacks to not ride in the back of the bus was going to destroy this country?

I love how so many people are calling me a religious bigot despite me not even taking a side. I've only merely commented on how unpopular of a move this might be. If only you knew my true opinion. But that's okay, I'll allow you more "tolerant" posters to tell me how I should act while observing you acting completely different. thanks guys. You bring even more substance to the old saying of, "Do as I say, not as I do."
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I hope you're not saying I called you a religious bigot. I did no such thing. I haven't even tried to imply that you are not tolerant. Just as you are trying to make a point about how this will affect his popularity, I am trying to make the point that his popularity should not be a concern in this type of issue. I also felt like you were under the impression that Obama authorized this mosque to be built. Maybe you were just baiting people into expressing thier opinion through an intentional misrepresentation? So I was trying to clear that up.
 
jazzman12 said:
I love how some people in here will basically trip over themselves in an effort to show how "PC" they are.

It's a horrible idea to let a Mosque be built near the 9-11 site for quite a few reasons and non of them stem from hatred or bigotry. They stem from common sense:

-First of all, it is common practice in the history of Islam to build Mosques on sites of conquest. I could bombard you with links backing up this fact but it's pretty easy to find for yourself if you'd like to take the time. Knowing this fact makes me wonder about the intent on why the people pushing for this mosque want to put it so close to the 9-11 site. Coincidence? Maybe, but IMO, not likely.

-While it might be the right of the Islam religion to put a mosque so close to the site, that doesn't mean it's a good idea. What about the sensitivities involved with those who lost loved ones that day? Why don't the Islamic folks pushing for this see what a hurftul issue this could be to many people and take the higher road?
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Is stating your support for individual rights and religious freedom an attempt to prove how PC you are? After struggling to understand what PC actually means I looked into it a little bit. I still struggle to understand what it means and I have an even more difficult time understanding what people are talking about when they throw the term around. Originally, 20 years ago or so, I thought it meant accurate communication not intended to create bias. I realize now it almost means the exact opposite of that. But what the hell is it with conservatives calling anyone who asks for understanding or expresses a desire for tolerance PC? I just don't get it. I haven't got the slightest fear of not being considered PC.

People’s irrational fears and hurt feelings shouldn't even be considered in this issue. If someone who lost a loved one in 9-11 is hurt by the building of a mosque I'm sorry, but their loved one was killed by a terrorist flying a hijacked plane into a building, not as a result of a mosque being constructed, so to me their objections are misguided and irrelevant.

I like how you phrase the last part, "...it might be the right of the Islam religion..." The Islam religion has no rights at all. Only individuals have rights. The individual who owns the property has the right to allow a mosque to be built, or a 7-11, or an adult magazine shop, or a Deseret Book store. Why? Because it's private ****ing property and the American public, the president and people who lost loved ones on 9-11 don't have a say, which is just the way it should be.
 
Why don't the Japanese rush to build a religious Shinto "cultural" center near the Arizona memorial? You know, freedom of religion and individual rights... I think the issue is sensitivity. Tact. Common sense. Even if you have a right to do something doesn't necessarily mean you should, right?

Why are those Muslims so insistent on building there? Don't they want to get along w/their fellow New Yorkers? Don't they want to avoid the bad pub? Don't they fear their actions being used by radical terrorists as propaganda?

Why are so many people opposed to them building this?

Why are conservatives so against this issue? Aren't they usually the ones all up in arms when the government interferes with religion anyway? Aren't they usually the ones angry when the government interferes with private property?
 
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So if a Christian nut-job blows up an abortion clinic in (pick a city) Detroit, should my church (LDS) not be able to build a church/temple two blocks away because my church opposes elective abortions? That would be ridiculous.

It would be one thing if the leader of the proposed mosque had anything to do with Al Quaeda, but as far as I know, no one has proved--or even claimed--any connection besides the fact that they are both Muslim.
 
colton said:
So if a Christian nut-job blows up an abortion clinic in (pick a city) Detroit, should my church (LDS) not be able to build a church/temple two blocks away because my church opposes elective abortions? That would be ridiculous.

It would be one thing if the leader of the proposed mosque had anything to do with Al Quaeda, but as far as I know, no one has proved--or even claimed--any connection besides the fact that they are both Muslim.
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I don't think that's a valid comparison at all. Just sayin.
 
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