Obamacare to increase premiums by 304 percent???

[JimLes]

This makes me so angry. I am so sick of countries that sit around and bag on America because they don't sink any money in their military so they can pay for social programs (which I agree with). The problem I have is this: The second you have any trouble you expect our military to step in and protect you. I'm so done with all of that.

Without America, vast majority of world's conflicts simply would not happen.

 

[Stoked]

Without America, vast majority of world's conflicts simply would not happen.

Hahaha. Like hell. They would happen with or without America. America's involvement merely changes how it plays out.

 

[JimLes]

Hahaha. Like hell. They would happen with or without America. America's involvement merely changes how it plays out.

When a few hotheads grab guns and try to overthrow their government, it's not a conflict. Giving them weapons and other kinds of support turns it into one.

 

[Stoked]

When a few hotheads grab guns and try to overthrow their government, it's not a conflict. Giving them weapons and other kinds of support turns it into one.

Oh so basically this argument goes by whatever standards that you think are appropriate. Thanks for letting the Syrians know, especially those that died, that without America their struggle was not a conflict.

Also Vietnam, ww 1, ww 2, African massacres, Kosovo...all happen without American involvement. True it plays out differently but it still plays out.

Your stance is basically your opinion and is backed by nothing.

 

[JimLes]

Oh so basically this argument goes by whatever standards that you think are appropriate. Thanks for letting the Syrians know, especially those that died, that without America their struggle was not a conflict.

Also Vietnam, ww 1, ww 2, African massacres, Kosovo...all happen without American involvement. True it plays out differently but it still plays out.

Your stance is basically your opinion and is backed by nothing.

Who the **** is talking about WW1 here? Why are you putting words in my mouth? I'm talking about the last 20 years. For a reason, too. That's when the US became world's only superpower.

My argument is this. US involvement in all kids of places in the past 20 years has only served to widen and broaden the fighting. Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Kosovo. In all those cases, the governments of those countries would have dealt with what was going on quickly and brutally. We're not debating the morality of it here.

 

[Stoked]

Without America, vast majority of world's conflicts simply would not happen.

Who the **** is talking about WW1 here? Why are you putting words in my mouth? I'm talking about the last 20 years. For a reason, too. That's when the US became world's only superpower.

My argument is this. US involvement in all kids of places in the past 20 years has only served to widen and broaden the fighting. Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Kosovo. In all those cases, the governments of those countries would have dealt with what was going on quickly and brutally. We're not debating the morality of it here.

As you can see from your initial post it had nothing to do with "the last 20 years". You blamed America for the majority of the world's conflicts.

The conflict would remain in every one of those cases. American involvement clearly changes the conflict, as you admit with "widen and broaden the fighting", but the fighting already exists. That is by its definition, conflict.

If this is all you have than I have no interest continuing this asinine conversation.

 

[franklin]

Who the **** is talking about WW1 here? Why are you putting words in my mouth? I'm talking about the last 20 years. For a reason, too. That's when the US became world's only superpower.

My argument is this. US involvement in all kids of places in the past 20 years has only served to widen and broaden the fighting. Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Kosovo. In all those cases, the governments of those countries would have dealt with what was going on quickly and brutally. We're not debating the morality of it here.

You know, at the end of the day I trust the people with the big board. I just wish I we got to see the big board. It's like a soap opera to us Americans. That and we want to feel comforted that we aren't becoming the bad guys.

Thanks for a bit of oil though.

 

[JimLes]

The conflict would remain in every one of those cases. American involvement clearly changes the conflict, as you admit with "widen and broaden the fighting", but the fighting already exists. That is by its definition, conflict.

Ok, so your definition of conflict is now every possible issue in the world? Armed conflict is suddenly the same thing as non-armed conflict? Brutal, prolonged wars are the same thing as low-level uprisings and coups? And I'm being asinine here?

Since you want to nit-pick and analyze every words, how about I put it this way then. American involvement around the globe has caused unnecessary armed conflict where there weren't any, and made those that were already happening worse. And in general, it's made a world a much ****tier place the last 20 years. How's that?

 

[LogGrad98]

Yes, if we hadn't intervened in Iraq their government would have gone on killing their own people at a horrendous rate. 2.5 mill of his own people Sadam killed. Americans are evil.

 

[♪alt13]

hold on there, do you know for a fact that the boomer generation is the majority in Congress and the Senate? I think a fair number of them were born after 1964....

if I can, I'll try to do a little bit of research on that

EDIT: OK, here's a little bit

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_United_States_Senators_by_age
As of September 25, 2013, 2 senators are in their 80s, 20 are in their 70s, 37 are in their 60s, 30 are in their 50s, and 11 are in their 40s. (10 were born after 1964, and one was born Nov 1964)

They do what gets them elected and boomers do that. Congressmen and Senators are only giving boomers what they asked for.

 

[infection]

We need to allow Rn's to open offices without direct supervision by a doctor and refer patients that are beyond their care to a P.H.D.

Are you familiar with the healthcare system?

 

[LogGrad98]

Are you familiar with the legal system?

Fixed.