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Sirkickyass said:
The only thing I got from this post is that Trout goes to Comic Con.

Also, you should totally stop by my panel this year entitled "Why are there no black people on the Jetsons?"
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Full disclosure: I've never been to Comic Con, nor do I want to, even though I enjoy the genre.






#tellmehowmybackpeddletastes
 
franklin said:
The only thing I ever get from these arguments with NAOS are that

1. NAOS makes a accusatory statement.
2. Someone calls him on it.
3. NAOS then gets obnoxious, and says that Someone is misrepresenting his position.
4. Someone again points out the flaws in the argument or language.
5. NAOS throws a tantrum.
6. Someone decides it's not worth getting to the meat of the point because it's too tiring to understand his point sifting through all the rocks to find what may or may not be a golden nugget.
7. NAOS calls names. NAOS gives in.

It's very easy to have a polite conversation with NAOS. Just agree with all he says or else franklin will call you a brainless robot. I think Left Dad, Poor Dad said it best "seek first to attack and then to spin and confuse".
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[size/HUGE] fixed [/size];807466 said:
"It's flawed or wrong for PKM to call himself a centrist. I don't think it's right for him to say that he is, and I think it actually sways the politics of jazzfanz discussions in unhelpful ways when he does so."
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Interesting that this is almost exactly what franklin said recently about people in Utah... was it LDS folk... I don't remember.
He said they are all full of crap because they say they are in the middle politically and don't support either party, but that they are conservatives through and through.
But him... oh, he can be right smack dab in the middle and he's not just blowing smoke like all those other people.

I disagree with the point in general (shocker) and think either liberals or conservatives at heart can be smack dab in the middle of parties if they don't like how the parties function, the 2 party system, or the direction of the party closest to how they feel.

As to the PKM point you are making /size, I guess I don't see your problem. So what if he views himself as a centrist and you don't. How does that "sway" politics in jazzfanz discussions in unhelpful ways? Do you view yourself as more of a centrist and don't want him in your same "category"?
 
franklin said:
The only thing I ever get from these arguments with NAOS are that

1. NAOS makes a simple statement.
2. Someone gets butthurt by it and goes on the offensive.
3. NAOS then states the obvious, that Someone is misrepresenting his position.
4. Someone continues arguing with tangents that aren't related, while telling NAOS he is the one missing the point.
5. NAOS re-states a simple position.
6. Someone again refuses to read what NAOS wrote and genuinely try to understand his intent. Calls NAOS names.
7. NAOS gives in.

It's very easy to have a polite conversation with NAOS. Try to understand the message he's conveying, and respond like a normal human being instead of sounding like a brainless robot. I think Rich Dad, Poor Dad said it best "seek first to overstate and then to be underground".
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I would agree with this if we were talking about the NAOS pre-'fixed' era. I always got along with him, agreed with him on several points, and I don't think we ever really had exchanges fuel with any sort of militant or animosity-filled exchange.


Nowadays he seems to be more harsh/militant (particularly towards the cliquier posters of Jazzfanz) which in a vacuum doesn't seem like a bad thing, but I find that the douchiness weakens the impact of his posts overall, when he spends half of his post-count putting others down.


Maybe its just a personal thing. Personally, I'd never have the energy to launch this anti-group think/panoptical fight that NAOS seems, and I actually think I'd do it differently if I had the same goals as him (this is just going off of my perception of fixed, I suppose I could be well wrong).
 
^ in other words, I've seen NAOS call those (though there is a select group that he tends to home-in on) name-call before vice-versa, and on that point I disagree with your post, franklin.

If you'd have posted that back in 2011, I would've posrep'd it, and agreed with you heartily.
 
Triangle Man said:
Interesting that this is almost exactly what franklin said recently about people in Utah... was it LDS folk... I don't remember.
He said they are all full of crap because they say they are in the middle politically and don't support either party, but that they are conservatives through and through.
But him... oh, he can be right smack dab in the middle and he's not just blowing smoke like all those other people.
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Way to miss the point completely. I was talking about republicans that I know personally who claim they aren't a member of either party, yet blindly vote republican and soak up every wild Obama accusation like it's biblical word of god. You're seriously taking issue with the way I see people who you've never met, and wondering if others who make the same claim are highly similar in attitude?


dalamon said:
^ in other words, I've seen NAOS call those (though there is a select group that he tends to home-in on) name-call before vice-versa, and on that point I disagree with your post, franklin.

If you'd have posted that back in 2011, I would've posrep'd it, and agreed with you heartily.
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I guess I didn't see that tiny jab at PKM as anything to get worked up and thin-skinned over.
 
Sirkickyass said:
The only thing I got from this post is that Trout goes to Comic Con.

Also, you should totally stop by my panel this year entitled "Why are there no black people on the Jetsons?"
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Last year I wore the same type pass Shatner wore because I did a panel.

True story.

Fun to see friends wait in that mile long line while I just walked in.
 
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