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Game Thread Oct 02, 2022 04:00PM MT: Jazz at Raptors (Preseason)

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Handlogten's Heros said:
He does seem to move really well... like JC kinda. I just don't see the skillset to be something awesome on ball. He actually was useable last year when we treated him like PJ Tucker... just hide in the corners and play defense. Then one night he decided to go Leroy Jenkins on a couple plays and Quin pulled him and he was never heard from again.

Get these guys some viagra so they ain't so worried about performance.
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I think NAW could have been good in the older Quin offenses where there was actual ball movement and the whole "blender" concept when they really ran that stuff to perfection.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
He had kinda changed and I hoped he'd be fully in the Vince Carter role player mode last year and this year. Had hoped a year of being healthy would help too. I just don't see a great attitude and I think this using 15-20 minutes a night to get his value up may do the opposite.

At the same time none of the guys on the bubble inspired any confidence so if we cut JB, Lee, Doke or Stanley I'm not like super sad. So maybe you keep him and hope to dump his deal in a move later. IDK... I just wish we had him and THT off of next year's cap sheet.
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Did he change or did he just go to SA where they were actually running the ball-stopping, mid-range work type offense he could excel in without disrupting an offensive flow.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Did he change or did he just go to SA where they were actually running the ball-stopping, mid-range work type offense he could excel in without disrupting an offensive flow.
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Honestly? I watched like 4 SA games a year... when they played the Jazz... so who knows I guess. I think he had shot more catch and shoot threes and stuff though... so some changes.
 
Jingled said:
Maybe. I'm just super skeptical that he's going to do anything to actually help his trade value at this point, so I'd much rather just give his minutes to the young guys.
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Oh, there is no way his trade value can be increased. Teams will want him for the vet minimum if someone waives him. His value is purely salary matching.
 
I'm sure someone like Gay probably looks better than the young guys in a training camp setting so you have to play him early on then you can bench him later when it becomes obvious his style of play is a negative for the team.

Remember Will Hardy is a 34 year old rookie coach. He just can't bench veterans if they are indeed looking better than their young counterparts in training camp.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I'm sure someone like Gay probably looks better than the young guys in a training camp setting so you have to play him early on then you can bench him later when it becomes obvious his style of play is a negative for the team.

Remember Will Hardy is a 34 year old rookie coach. He just can't bench veterans if they are indeed looking better than their young counterparts in training camp.
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I thought of that too. Gay and Conley are both several years older than Hardy.
 
HeatCheck said:
I thought of that too. Gay and Conley are both several years older than Hardy.
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I think Conley and Hardy are the same age, but yes, Gay is a couple years older.

Really weird situation.

I dont have great vibes w/ the Will Hardy signing. Quin Snyder was really inspiring from the jump. Hardy is kind of just bland. He's got a 5 year contract though so he will have time to develop.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I think Conley and Hardy are the same age, but yes, Gay is a couple years older.

Really weird situation.

I dont have great vibes w/ the Will Hardy signing. Quin Snyder was really inspiring from the jump. Hardy is kind of just bland. He's got a 5 year contract though so he will have time to develop.
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The way he talks I am just not sure he has a philosophy or plan. Noticed a lot of switching and the defensive rotations actually looked good in the first half.

First 10-20 games will be a jumbled mess... just hoping to see some sort of outline of a plan/philosophy/mindset. He has seemed "flexible" in his interviews but I wonder if that is just not being committed to a particular theme.

Coaching is really hard to assess... unless its obviously horrible... sometimes even great coaching is misdiagnosed because the players are just actually really good. I like that they went with a young guy because I think there is more upside in landing the next good young coach than getting an okayish retread.
 
Jingled said:
Uh...Ainge doesn't want to be good this season, he wants to lose as many games as possible so that we can get the best draft pick possible. Obviously, he would've just kept Bogey if the goal was to be good this season.
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Still....that fails to answer the question of why they gave him away for nothing. In my mind, we get an F- for the Bogey trade which cancels out either the Minnesota or Cleveland deal.
 
I think the Bogey trade just came down to a numbers game. With the acquisitions of younger players those minutes needed to go LM, Vandy and others. I agree we gave him away but shows just how tank mode we really are.
 
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