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Game Thread Oct 08, 2023 07:00PM MT: Jazz at Clippers (Preseason)
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Well this gamethread was obnoxious. Good job @Saint Cy of JFC. Burning the boards all in sake of defending your takes.
For the game itself, its hard to react to a preseason game without overreacting so I wont do my usual longer review.... but three things I want to note:
- I think this game didnt take us much closer to determining who the starters will be or who pairs up really well, apart from the pair mentioned in the next point.
- Even if we don't end up starting Dunn I feel really good about the Dunn/Keyonte pairing coming off the bench. They seemed to mesh well and will spearhead a really good 2nd unit.
- Yurtseven looked like he could be a solid backup C and I think he played very composed and rebounded well. Samanic also deserves a roster spot.
For the game itself, its hard to react to a preseason game without overreacting so I wont do my usual longer review.... but three things I want to note:
- I think this game didnt take us much closer to determining who the starters will be or who pairs up really well, apart from the pair mentioned in the next point.
- Even if we don't end up starting Dunn I feel really good about the Dunn/Keyonte pairing coming off the bench. They seemed to mesh well and will spearhead a really good 2nd unit.
- Yurtseven looked like he could be a solid backup C and I think he played very composed and rebounded well. Samanic also deserves a roster spot.
My Thoughts.
Dunn: Game changer. As soon as he came in it looked like we were running an actual offense. Smooth, confident, and his defense was awesome.
Sexton: YIKES. I'm not that worried about the missed shots, those shots will come, but he cannot run an offense. Watching him run the offense
felt like getting my teeth pulled at the dentist.
THT: Started off red hot then fell off a cliff. He cannot run an offense either. I'm okay with him as the off guard playing more of a scoring role, but
I just dont see a lot more that someone who has some hot games now, and again. He just isnt consistent.
Omer: I liked what I saw! He played under control. Can finish good. He isn't a great defender but hes a good rebounder. I would be happy with him as our
backup C.
Kessler: Just awesome as always. The blocking machine. When he wasn't blocking shots he was affecting them. Had a couple of forced offensive moves in the paint, but
overall he looked gooood.
Ochai: His inside offensive game is nice. Slashing. Driving. His shot was falling tonight, but he made up for it with his other offensive. He looked solid!
Hendricks: Finally we get to see him! His size, and speed look good in the flesh. He is going to be a nice rebounder, and defender. He hit his first shot which
was tough, and little forced, but missed the new few. Really wanted him to hit that 3 point shot off a nice pass from Keyonte.
Keyonte: SLOW DOWN SON. Jesus he looked spazzy, and forced a lot. But he did have some good passes. He was confident, and aggressive. A little too aggressive.
He will be fine, but he was way too hyped for this game.
Luka: Played solid, and had some nice baskets in clutch time. Looks like a rotation player.
Those are the things that really stood out. MY biggest takeaway from the game is we need a PG. Dunn was by far the best tonight. Sexton is going to get traded.
I just don't see it. Love his aggression, and energy but he is a MESS on offense.
Dunn: Game changer. As soon as he came in it looked like we were running an actual offense. Smooth, confident, and his defense was awesome.
Sexton: YIKES. I'm not that worried about the missed shots, those shots will come, but he cannot run an offense. Watching him run the offense
felt like getting my teeth pulled at the dentist.
THT: Started off red hot then fell off a cliff. He cannot run an offense either. I'm okay with him as the off guard playing more of a scoring role, but
I just dont see a lot more that someone who has some hot games now, and again. He just isnt consistent.
Omer: I liked what I saw! He played under control. Can finish good. He isn't a great defender but hes a good rebounder. I would be happy with him as our
backup C.
Kessler: Just awesome as always. The blocking machine. When he wasn't blocking shots he was affecting them. Had a couple of forced offensive moves in the paint, but
overall he looked gooood.
Ochai: His inside offensive game is nice. Slashing. Driving. His shot was falling tonight, but he made up for it with his other offensive. He looked solid!
Hendricks: Finally we get to see him! His size, and speed look good in the flesh. He is going to be a nice rebounder, and defender. He hit his first shot which
was tough, and little forced, but missed the new few. Really wanted him to hit that 3 point shot off a nice pass from Keyonte.
Keyonte: SLOW DOWN SON. Jesus he looked spazzy, and forced a lot. But he did have some good passes. He was confident, and aggressive. A little too aggressive.
He will be fine, but he was way too hyped for this game.
Luka: Played solid, and had some nice baskets in clutch time. Looks like a rotation player.
Those are the things that really stood out. MY biggest takeaway from the game is we need a PG. Dunn was by far the best tonight. Sexton is going to get traded.
I just don't see it. Love his aggression, and energy but he is a MESS on offense.
Tremendous Upside
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Finally it's time to overreact. Let's go.
- Everyone looked exactly the same as last season (except Clarkson, who looked like my dad when he tried going up for a dunk). That's somewhat disappointing since this is such a young team. You'd like to see at least a hint of some new/improved skills, particularly in preseason when it's still time to experiment.
- The people who are saying Kessler could average 13ppg are dreaming. His FT shooting is still atrocious and he didn't even look at the basket unless he was right next to it. In preseason he's playing against all kinds of tryhards who guard him like he's Steph Curry, but once the reg season starts, he's going to kill the offense when he floats to the corner and the other team happily ignores him. His fit with Collins is terrible. Defensively though, it was business as usual. It's the preseason effect again - people were going at Kessler under the hoop like they'd never heard about him. That won't last.
- It's hilarious how well Keyonte fits into our current guard rotation. Quick, dribble-happy dude whose first instinct is to look for his own shot... and who can't/wont defend. It makes absolutely no sense that we have like 7 of these guys on the roster right now. Someone has to go.
- Collins is such a tough fit. He's essentially an extremely undersized rim-running center who can't guard his own position. He has zero ballhandling, so unless he shows us he's able to make spot up 3's at a respectable clip, integrating him into the offense will be a real head-scratcher. He never looked like he knew what was expected of him or what he should be doing. Forcing the ball to him on a wing post-up is such a bad idea. He has no advantage there.
- All in all we looked like a team that has zero idea of what kind of basketball it should be playing.
- Everyone looked exactly the same as last season (except Clarkson, who looked like my dad when he tried going up for a dunk). That's somewhat disappointing since this is such a young team. You'd like to see at least a hint of some new/improved skills, particularly in preseason when it's still time to experiment.
- The people who are saying Kessler could average 13ppg are dreaming. His FT shooting is still atrocious and he didn't even look at the basket unless he was right next to it. In preseason he's playing against all kinds of tryhards who guard him like he's Steph Curry, but once the reg season starts, he's going to kill the offense when he floats to the corner and the other team happily ignores him. His fit with Collins is terrible. Defensively though, it was business as usual. It's the preseason effect again - people were going at Kessler under the hoop like they'd never heard about him. That won't last.
- It's hilarious how well Keyonte fits into our current guard rotation. Quick, dribble-happy dude whose first instinct is to look for his own shot... and who can't/wont defend. It makes absolutely no sense that we have like 7 of these guys on the roster right now. Someone has to go.
- Collins is such a tough fit. He's essentially an extremely undersized rim-running center who can't guard his own position. He has zero ballhandling, so unless he shows us he's able to make spot up 3's at a respectable clip, integrating him into the offense will be a real head-scratcher. He never looked like he knew what was expected of him or what he should be doing. Forcing the ball to him on a wing post-up is such a bad idea. He has no advantage there.
- All in all we looked like a team that has zero idea of what kind of basketball it should be playing.
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FrenchJazzFa
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Quite a good resume. Definitly Dunn should start with JC. THT and Keyonte coming from the bench. Trading Sexton if opportunity is probably not a bad idea.
Is it too late to make that Jrue Holiday trade? 
I'd love it if we had a real PG, and Dunn would be an A+ back up,
I want nothing to do with THT or Sexton. They have zero idea how to run an offense.
I'd love it if we had a real PG, and Dunn would be an A+ back up,
I want nothing to do with THT or Sexton. They have zero idea how to run an offense.
Lmao
Tremendous Upside
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If we go into the season with this revolving doors system in the backcourt, it won't be pretty. We have a whole slew of backup combo guards taking turns to pretend they're starting PG's. You can't win when the most important positions in the game are constantly in flux.Is it too late to make that Jrue Holiday trade?
I'd love it if we had a real PG, and Dunn would be an A+ back up,
I want nothing to do with THT or Sexton. They have zero idea how to run an offense.
Good analysis. I agree with pretty much everything.
I think Keyonte and Hendricks had some nervousness that showed. Especially early on in their minutes Keyonte was spazzy and Hendricks looked timid. But thats like almost every rookie ever. Keyonte wasnt afraid to try and make plays so I think he is the one who picks it up faster. Hendricks probably needs another level of aggressiveness to him to unlock his potential.
Hopefully we run out another guard combo with the FC starters in the next preseason game.
Anyone who thinks THT played poorly is bonkers.
Hilarious that we are deciding off one preseason game against a team with elite on ball defenders that our guards can't run an offenseIs it too late to make that Jrue Holiday trade?
I'd love it if we had a real PG, and Dunn would be an A+ back up,
I want nothing to do with THT or Sexton. They have zero idea how to run an offense.