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Douchebag K said:
dude wtf are you on about .. that's one guy with like 5 accounts who's crapping on about Simmons and trolling about Mitchell. The rest of us love Donovan, don't you freaking dare tar us with the same brush as that snivelling little pimpled 14 year old.
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I wasn’t referring to any regulars here. For every solid regular, though, there’s been 2-3 that have popped out up out of the woodwork in the last 6 months. It’s not an indictment of Australian fans, just the maldistribution of trolls we currently have (unless we’re assuming Jazz/utahjazzz is running 8 accounts).

It kind of reminds me a bit of the fears everyone had about Jimmermania. I’ve always insisted that BYU fans by and large aren’t Jazz fans, but the ones that are typically follow the Jazz superficially. I graduated from BYU but DGAF about their athletics (or any college sports). I was put off by Jimmermania and saw him as being JJ Redick (before Redick got better). Eventually I cane around thinking we just needed a PG that can knock down shots, so I was on board, and thought even after a year or two, he could still be a decent spot up shooter off the bench. That didn’t materialize and I acknowledge he sucks. But I remember the year he was drafted we moved back to Utah. I went to go play basketball at the church and one guy was asking another if he wanted the Jazz to draft Jimmer. His response was “No. I mean, it would be good for the Jazz, but it just wouldn’t be good for Jimmer.” He wasn’t really a Jazz fam but Jimmer fan, and it gave him penis brain. I can see how annoying stuff like that was what a lot of people wanted to avoid.

Anyway, long rant, but I’d view myself as the same type of BYU grad as you guys are Australian fans, with all the trolls being like that moron who thought it’d be “good for the Jazz but bad for Jimmer.”
 
infection said:
I wasn’t referring to any regulars here. For every solid regular, though, there’s been 2-3 that have popped out up out of the woodwork in the last 6 months. It’s not an indictment of Australian fans, just the maldistribution of trolls we currently have (unless we’re assuming Jazz/utahjazzz is running 8 accounts).

It kind of reminds me a bit of the fears everyone had about Jimmermania. I’ve always insisted that BYU fans by and large aren’t Jazz fans, but the ones that are typically follow the Jazz superficially. I graduated from BYU but DGAF about their athletics (or any college sports). I was put off by Jimmermania and saw him as being JJ Redick (before Redick got better). Eventually I cane around thinking we just needed a PG that can knock down shots, so I was on board, and thought even after a year or two, he could still be a decent spot up shooter off the bench. That didn’t materialize and I acknowledge he sucks. But I remember the year he was drafted we moved back to Utah. I went to go play basketball at the church and one guy was asking another if he wanted the Jazz to draft Jimmer. His response was “No. I mean, it would be good for the Jazz, but it just wouldn’t be good for Jimmer.” He wasn’t really a Jazz fam but Jimmer fan, and it gave him penis brain. I can see how annoying stuff like that was what a lot of people wanted to avoid.

Anyway, long rant, but I’d view myself as the same type of BYU grad as you guys are Australian fans, with all the trolls being like that moron who thought it’d be “good for the Jazz but bad for Jimmer.”
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You have always insisted that byu fans aren't jazz fans? You are a great poster but they might be the dumbest thing you ever said.
You don't think a person can be both? Can a ute fan be a jazz fan?

Btw I'm a huge byu fan but a much bigger jazz fan. I loved jimmermania and he is easily my favorite byu basketball player of all time (why wouldn't he be) and I wanted no part of jimmer being drafted by the jazz that year cause I knew he wasn't good enough at the NBA level to be picked anywhere near the lottery. Was so happy the king's took him before it even got to our pick.

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fishonjazz said:
You have always insisted that byu fans aren't jazz fans? You are a great poster but they might be there dumbest thing you ever said.
You don't think a person can be both? Can a ute fan be a jazz fan?

Btw I'm a huge byu fan but a much bigger jazz fan. I loved jimmermania and he is easily my favorite byu basketball player of all time (why wouldn't he be) and I wanted no part of jimmer being drafted by the jazz that year cause I knew he wasn't good enough at the NBA level to be picked anywhere near the lottery. Was so happy the king's took him before it even got to our pick.

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Of course there are Jazz fans that are BYU fans. What I’m saying is that BYU is not Jazz nation. People assume BYU fans are all Jazz fans, when most people at BYU aren’t even from Utah. Lots of Lakers fans (aren’t they typically a large portion of the dumbasses that would troll the concourse in the Kobe/Shaq days?). My argument has always been that the correlation between being a BYU fan and a Jazz fan is nowhere near as tight as it’s portrayed, which is why I thought the fear of Jimmermania was overblown because the vast majority of people who would come out of the woodwork to vehemently demand Jimmer wouldn’t even be Jazz fans. You and I, actually being Jazz fans, wouldn’t have been pining for Jimmer for the sake of Jimmer. A number of BYU-first fans probably would have, and they aren’t regulars on this forum (or in Jazz nation), but they would have surfaced.
 
infection said:
What I’m saying is that BYU is not Jazz nation. People assume BYU fans are all Jazz fans, when most people at BYU aren’t even from Utah.
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You think people assume byu fans are all jazz fans and people think byu is jazz nation? Why the **** would anyone think that.

No one chooses to go to byu due to its proximity to the jazz. People go to byu because it's a good academic school and because of the religious affiliation. And like you said many people from byu aren't even from Utah.

I don't think people associate byu with the jazz. We will just have to disagree on that.

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fishonjazz said:
You think people assume byu fans are all jazz fans and people think byu is jazz nation? Why the **** would anyone think that.

No one chooses to go to byu due to its proximity to the jazz. People go to byu because it's a good academic school and because of the religious affiliation. And like you said many people from byu aren't even from Utah.

I don't think people associate byu with the jazz. We will just have to disagree on that.

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I say it within the context of everyone thinking Jimmermania would be a distraction. It would be a few assholes who aren’t Jazzfans that would come here posing as Jazzfans, similar to a couple guys we have with Jazz in their name, but are only here for one purpose. The idea was that all the Jazz fans who like BYU (which is sizable) would create drama and demand Jimmer, which is false because people want to see the Jazz win. So that’s similar to our Aussies here who may have come originally because Exum/Ingles, but just want the Jazz to win, as opposed to people who simply liked Jimmer because they like BYU, and they’d be annoying as hell, but they wouldn’t really be Jazz fans, in a similar way that utahjazzz and Jazz aren’t Jazz fans.
 
infection said:
I say it within the context of everyone thinking Jimmermania would be a distraction. It would be a few assholes who aren’t Jazzfans that would come here posing as Jazzfans, similar to a couple guys we have with Jazz in their name, but are only here for one purpose. The idea was that all the Jazz fans who like BYU (which is sizable) would create drama and demand Jimmer, which is false because people want to see the Jazz win. So that’s similar to our Aussies here who may have come originally because Exum/Ingles, but just want the Jazz to win, as opposed to people who simply liked Jimmer because they like BYU, and they’d be annoying as hell, but they wouldn’t really be Jazz fans, in a similar way that utahjazzz and Jazz aren’t Jazz fans.
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Great explanation. I see your point.

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infection said:
I say it within the context of everyone thinking Jimmermania would be a distraction. It would be a few assholes who aren’t Jazzfans that would come here posing as Jazzfans, similar to a couple guys we have with Jazz in their name, but are only here for one purpose. The idea was that all the Jazz fans who like BYU (which is sizable) would create drama and demand Jimmer, which is false because people want to see the Jazz win. So that’s similar to our Aussies here who may have come originally because Exum/Ingles, but just want the Jazz to win, as opposed to people who simply liked Jimmer because they like BYU, and they’d be annoying as hell, but they wouldn’t really be Jazz fans, in a similar way that utahjazzz and Jazz aren’t Jazz fans.
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fishonjazz said:
Great explanation. I see your point.

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I like it when my internet brothers disagree and then get along... That is Christmas Spirit AF.
 
Back to the DM stuff... I think the injury really did mess up his off-season. I was really dismissive of those that were worried, but if he couldn't go 100% until training camp it not only hurts his development, but just continuing what he started from the prior year... he may just be getting his legs.

Listen to the Weekly Run Pod... Tony seemed to indicate he couldn't really work much this summer.
 
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