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Official milsap the 2012 starting sf

The question is essentially who you'd rather have at the 3 next year; Millsap, CJ or AK? I'd go with Millsap.
 
silesian said:
Truly awful at 0.503 versus league average of ~0.460. and especially for a big man, where he is 7th highest fg% for a center. Higher shooting % than Aldrige, Randolf, Josh Smith, Kevin Love, David Lee, Duncan, Brook Lopez, Hibber, Bargnani..... and some of the bigs in front of him get their points off offensive rebounds and junk points, versus being a central figure in their offense.

Where do you get this stuff?
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pssst...you do know we are talking about true shooting percentage yes? An advanced stat that takes into account free throw attempts and three point shooting. All those players spank Al on TS% because they either can draw a foul or can hit threes.
 
gregbroncs said:
So you repeatedly point out Jefferson's flaw. But are ignoring Millsap's flaw? Millsap is too short to guard bigger PF's. If Jefferson was the PF instead of Millsap and we have Favors be the guy helping on the PNR then Jefferson's PNR defense would not be so bad. But when Jefferson guards the PNR all he has behind him is a 6'7" PF that can't guard those guys.

Millsap's flaw on defense is far worse than Jefferson's. You can teach PNR defense you can not teach Millsap to be 3-4" taller. Jefferson is the better player. Yes he's been the main option on some really bad teams. However when Millsap came back from injury our starting lineups defense got significantly worse. Wonder why that is? Favors is better than Millsap on defense. Defensively Jefferson and Favors are our best front line. If Millsap is willing to be the backup PF again then so be it. If not, trade him and get a starting quality player at SG/SF/PG. Whichever you don't draft.
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I think, u cant teach people basketball fundamentals after they are 25, jefferson has basketball iq no better than boozer in defensive end, and millsap plays as best as he can with his current talent but jefferson cant, he has good feet tricks or post moves around the basket but this is his only weapon, he doesnt have a consistent jumper as well
i dont say millsap is better than him but just tell me one thing,
would you rather having millsap on ur team with 7 million a yr or Jefferson with 15 million?
 
sepanol said:
I think, u cant teach people basketball fundamentals after they are 25, jefferson has basketball iq no better than boozer in defensive end, and millsap plays as best as he can with his current talent but jefferson cant, he has good feet tricks or post moves around the basket but this is his only weapon, he doesnt have a consistent jumper as well
i dont say millsap is better than him but just tell me one thing,
would you rather having millsap on ur team with 7 million a yr or Jefferson with 15 million?
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Jefferson. I want the better player starting. I would rather have both, but only if Millsap accepts his position as the backup PF. With Millsap as a starting PF you will never be good enough to advance very far in the playoffs.

Jefferson is far better than Boozer on defense. He challenges shots and changes the way teams attack the Jazz. He's not great but better than Boozer.

I believe PNR defense can be taught. I don't like the way the Jazz defend the PNR.

It's far easier to teach fundamentals than size and talent. If Millsap plays "as best he can with his current talent" and he's still worse than Jefferson then I definitely want Jefferson.
 
gregbroncs said:
Jefferson. I want the better player starting. I would rather have both, but only if Millsap accepts his position as the backup PF. With Millsap as a starting PF you will never be good enough to advance very far in the playoffs.

Jefferson is far better than Boozer on defense. He challenges shots and changes the way teams attack the Jazz. He's not great but better than Boozer.

I believe PNR defense can be taught. I don't like the way the Jazz defend the PNR.

It's far easier to teach fundamentals than size and talent. If Millsap plays "as best he can with his current talent" and he's still worse than Jefferson then I definitely want Jefferson.
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Your words make sense, but i already dont think millsap should be the first or second option, i think that millsap should start with kanter, if we can draft him. So we can trade jefferson, because i think 15 million is really too much for jefferson for a small market franchise like utah.
 
sepanol said:
Your words make sense, but i already dont think millsap should be the first or second option, i think that millsap should start with kanter, if we can draft him. So we can trade jefferson, because i think 15 million is really too much for jefferson for a small market franchise like utah.
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Big guys with talent that can put up the #'s he does and play decent defense are not cheap.
 
gregbroncs said:
Big guys with talent that can put up the #'s he does and play decent defense are not cheap.
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I think thats our main seperation point, i dont think he plays decent defense, he just has a good blocking timing thats it, i think he should learn many things in the defensive end to deserve that money, i respect ur opinion though
 
sepanol said:
Your words make sense, but i already dont think millsap should be the first or second option, i think that millsap should start with kanter, if we can draft him. So we can trade jefferson, because i think 15 million is really too much for jefferson for a small market franchise like utah.
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If 15 mil is too much for Al, would you have rather had Boozer instead? Get real. Big men who put up those numbers dont come any cheaper. Unless you can magically find a stud PF/C who is 6-10 or 6-11, can average 20/10 and also play great defense and who would be willing to come to Utah for less than 15 mil/year. Good luck.You are talking about a franchise player then.
(The jury is still out on Favors. Even if he does become that stud, he would demand similar kind of money if not more)

And Millsap's ceiling is pretty limited. The guy breaks down whenever called upon to start for large stretches of games and his production is inconsistent(even off the bench). Yes for what we pay him, the value/dollar is good. But that doesnt mean he can substitute a legit big man like Big Al. My only concern about Big Al is that his knee holds up in the long term. He has been great so far(knock wood) this season.


BTW, Millsap at SF is not a bright idea.Maybe for some games, some matchups. But we really need a strong defensive presence in the paint if we make Millsap the SF.
He has to be either a backup PF, or he has to be trade bait for a wing.
 
I believe Millsap is an excellent player for a contender - if he comes off the bench... Very good value for the money.
Millsap at 3 is not a new idea and the fact that this has not been realized so far gives me strong view that it will not happen in the near future. He is not going to be a fundamentally different player in one summer.
 
BOX said:
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/212618/Jazz_Could_Play_Big_Man_Musical_Chairs_in_2011_12

I'm down with giving this a go. I think a simmer down milsap may make a pretty good small forward. I think if the jazz think this option is realistic, we should do whatever to grab kyrie.
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I don't know about this.. this is the list of guys he has to guard on a nightly basis:

Kevin Durant
LeBron James
Carmelo Anthony
Danny Granger
Andre Iguodala
Rudy Gay
Paul Pierce...
etc, etc, etc

One-on-One, they take him off the dribble and it's game over.. he wouldn't stand a chance..

As nice as he is - I'd say trade him... :(
 
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