Then maybe that should tell you something about the people involved (players and coaches). That maybe, just maybe, they are not as bad as you think.
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Then maybe that should tell you something about the people involved (players and coaches). That maybe, just maybe, they are not as bad as you think.
olden_undercover
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I think it says two things:
1) Some people thrive is certain roles, and flounder in others that seem to be the natural next step.
2) Pop is very adept at identifying strengths and making the best use of them.
All we can really extract from the San Antonio situation is that Boylen is a great first assistant for Pop. His history as the guy in charge-- though there is admittedly not a lot of it-- suggests he's best suited as a career assistant.
I am not arguing that at all. Just saying that perhaps the people are not as bad as Hotnickkk implies. If there are all these clowns in these positions and yet they are up 2-0 int he second round obviously they are doing something right.
framer
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Don't understand how you can bash Ime Udoka and Sean Marks, who you know exactly nothing about and prop up Boylen who we know a LOT about. Again Boylen may make sense as a head coach at some point, but there are exactly no rumors of him anywhere else but here. And Utah is probably the one place that is set to reject him before he even gets started. I haven't seen DL do anything blatantly stupid yet. He has pretty much done what we would do if a consensus was taken as a group. Hiring Boylen would be blatantly stupid. Hiring Messina makes an inordinate amount of sense. I expect DL to hire Messina.
Stifle Tower
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I didn't know a Utah employee was in charge of putting together the World Team for the Nike Hoop Summit. All the more reason to think the Jazz are very familiar with Messina and could make great inroads in regards to international players by hiring Ettore. The model of success for the Jazz, given their inability to attract top FA's from the U.S., has to be concentrating on Euros. "Draft and stash" only works if the player then comes over to the NBA when he has a chance to contribute. Messina is the guy that can make that happen with Tomic and others like him.
Jazz have a TON of 2nd round picks over the next few years. Almost all of those should be used to reach for Euros with potential. The Jazz won't have many roster spots available after this season (provided they try to re-sign their young players). So keep some developing in the pipeline and bring them over as needed.
I get that there's an appealing pedigree about being associated with the Spurs and you can make some arguments that paint it in a positive light. However, the Spurs also hired Scott Layden. Dennis, thus far, seems to have done a good job for us coming from the Spurs, but the last time we got an unremarkable talent from the Spurs that we had to give the "championship experience" sell for, it was Jason Hart. I kind of see Boylen as Jason Hart, except everyone already hates him and probably won't fall for the spin.
Grandpa Jazz
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With all due respect Stoked--- are you implying that Boylen's contribution is what makes the Spurs success run? My take would be that with you or even me in Boylen's seat nothing would have been different. In other words Boylen's impact on the team is probably less than the equipment manager. That he hasn't blown that team up the way he did the Utes is due to the fact that he is the second banana and Pops is a tough sumabeach that would not let that happen.
I think it is that they are amazing judges of talent and effective at maximizing those talents. Perhaps Boylen is only assistant material but San Antonio maximises that.
Doublea
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Ever noticed too that the assistant coaches don't get off the bench during timeouts. It's just the players and Pop.
olden_undercover
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...and I evidently made a poor effort of agreeing with you, Stoked.
I see writing Boylen off as completely worthless as an emotional reaction by locals to the trainwreck he presided over while at the U. Based on that alone, he really would be a horrible choice for the Jazz-- and I personally hope it doesn't happen-- but he's obviously got considerable value as an assistant.
framer
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My new theory is that the Jazz are and always were going to hire Messina, but DL is doing Boylen a solid in smokescreening his name as a possibility. Generally that happens for a couple years before an assistant gets a shot. Then you get "Jim Boylen who was in serious consideration for the Jazz head coach job last year, is among the finalists for the Milwaukee Job. . ." That is the theory that makes me the most happy, unless the Warriors try to jump the Jazz and hire Boylen away. That would make my entire year!