OFFICIAL: Please list your favorite cap-space-rental trades

[Thee Jazz Fan]

Not no but hell no!!!!!!

I want to start building a winner no more of this ****ing tank crap or talk!!

Hey! Maybe we can do this again next year! Let's just help one team a year get better

Good hell!!!!


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[UGLI baby]

Not no but hell no!!!!!!

I want to start building a winner no more of this ****ing tank crap or talk!!

Hey! Maybe we can do this again next year! Let's just help one team a year get better

Good hell!!!!


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This guy toooootally gets it^

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Yeah that was a misunderstanding then

No matter how little you get back, I think it's better to be the one who nets return at all. I hope the Jazz are aggressive in free agency.

For the Bulls, they can't amnesty Boozer if they wanna land Melo via S&T, because you can't stack a trade exception with another player(You can't be like: I give you a $15M trade exception with all our capspace and add another 5 million in non guaranteed contracts that you can fire in exchange for a contract that pays Melo $22M in his first year)

I'm 95% sure about the trade exception rule as I read something about it last summer and my memory is pretty good usually.

And since Boozer's contract is expiring, amnesty rule would only make sense if they wanted to use the caproom to sign a free agent with it.

I trust you on that rule. I think they have more options than GSW had last year.

It may be better to use our space to sign above mid-level guys... One or two youngish guys... Hawes, Patterson, Ed Davis? Or attempt to go after Parsons, although he has a wink and a nod Boozer agreement with the Rockets I'm sure.

 

[BTP]

I trust you on that rule. I think they have more options than GSW had last year.

It may be better to use our space to sign above mid-level guys... One or two youngish guys... Hawes, Patterson, Ed Davis? Or attempt to go after Parsons, although he has a wink and a nod Boozer agreement with the Rockets I'm sure.

I don't like going after free agents unless it's to add leadership. And I don't see a lot of leadership available that would fit. I think you be patient, and let everybody develop another year and by time of the trade deadline you've figured it out and shop your guys.
Won't be a top5 pick like this year, but it will be 7-11 range depending on peripherals. And from that range Cleveland is money in the lottery
And if you aren't there will be very good prospects available, who can fit in nicely.

I just don't like giving up financial flexibility unless it's someone who makes everyone better and helps culture a team first mentality.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I don't like going after free agents unless it's to add leadership. And I don't see a lot of leadership available that would fit. I think you be patient, and let everybody develop another year and by time of the trade deadline you've figured it out and shop your guys.
Won't be a top5 pick like this year, but it will be 7-11 range depending on peripherals. And from that range Cleveland is money in the lottery
And if you aren't there will be very good prospects available, who can fit in nicely.

I just don't like giving up financial flexibility unless it's someone who makes everyone better and helps culture a team first mentality.

I'm on board with either strategy. It just didn't seem like DL really valued the late first rounder from some of the things Locke said, and also moving that seemingly good second rounder for not much. I am fine with picking up a few assets with our space if there is not a good fit..

As far as our record... I think we may be worse than you think. I'm assuming no Marvin, RJ, and that there is a learning curve for Dante. We will have the worst record in the west. I think we finish no better than 5th worst.

 

[BTP]

I'm on board with either strategy. It just didn't seem like DL really valued the late first rounder from some of the things Locke said, and also moving that seemingly good second rounder for not much. I am fine with picking up a few assets with our space if there is not a good fit..

As far as our record... I think we may be worse than you think. I'm assuming no Marvin, RJ, and that there is a learning curve for Dante. We will have the worst record in the west. I think we finish no better than 5th worst.

I wouldn't rule out some 'unexpected' improvement by Burke, Burks, Favors, Gordon, Kanter. This order indicates who I think will improve the most.

Tank squads in the East will be:
Philly
Boston
Milwaukee
Orlando
(New York) - 80% chance that Melo is gone
(Detroit) - 50% Chance that a good coach can't bring them much further due to their roster flaws that couldn't be addressed via draft

Tanksquads in the West:
(Utah) - 80% Chance that it's around 30 wins, which is borderline tanking to me
(Sacto) - 75% accidental tank potential
(T-Wolves) - 70% Chance Love is gone
(Lakers) - 20% Chance for thorough rebuild while avoiding to give Phoenix a top5 protected pick and attack free agency next summer

So I count 4 sure-fire tank teams and 6 more that have incentives to tank or semi tank.
At least 2 more will be sucked into the tanking regions because they start the season real slow and at some point trying doesn't make sense from a basketball standpoint and maximizing odds is best.
The East will be improved if teams can stay healthy. (Atl, Washington, Brooklyn are good teams when healthy)
Charlotte is nasty and plays good D to make up for their 1-dimensional O.
Toronto will retain Lowry and has a surprisingly good team that really fits well together #MasaiUjiri #F***Brooklyn
Chicago is good with or without Rose.
Pacers are too talented to not make the playoffs even if their chemistry is completely gone.
Cavs have a real coach and added a lot of talent. They'll be the 9 seed.

One Team in the West will decide to tank because they're falling behind. So I can make a point for the 7-12 range. If Utah sucked harder like real hard or is simply overwhelmed by the competition in the West, they may tumble with all their youth. But I think they can grab a lot of wins vs East teams and their home advantage high altitude should give them an edge at home to overcome their inexperience in meaningless regular season games.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I wouldn't rule out some 'unexpected' improvement by Burke, Burks, Favors, Gordon, Kanter. This order indicates who I think will improve the most.

Tank squads in the East will be:
Philly
Boston
Milwaukee
Orlando
(New York) - 80% chance that Melo is gone
(Detroit) - 50% Chance that a good coach can't bring them much further due to their roster flaws that couldn't be addressed via draft

Tanksquads in the West:
(Utah) - 80% Chance that it's around 30 wins, which is borderline tanking to me
(Sacto) - 75% accidental tank potential
(T-Wolves) - 70% Chance Love is gone
(Lakers) - 20% Chance for thorough rebuild while avoiding to give Phoenix a top5 protected pick and attack free agency next summer

So I count 4 sure-fire tank teams and 6 more that have incentives to tank or semi tank.
At least 2 more will be sucked into the tanking regions because they start the season real slow and at some point trying doesn't make sense from a basketball standpoint and maximizing odds is best.
The East will be improved if teams can stay healthy. (Atl, Washington, Brooklyn are good teams when healthy)
Charlotte is nasty and plays good D to make up for their 1-dimensional O.
Toronto will retain Lowry and has a surprisingly good team that really fits well together #MasaiUjiri #F***Brooklyn
Chicago is good with or without Rose.
Pacers are too talented to not make the playoffs even if their chemistry is completely gone.
Cavs have a real coach and added a lot of talent. They'll be the 9 seed.

One Team in the West will decide to tank because they're falling behind. So I can make a point for the 7-12 range. If Utah sucked harder like real hard or is simply overwhelmed by the competition in the West, they may tumble with all their youth. But I think they can grab a lot of wins vs East teams and their home advantage high altitude should give them an edge at home to overcome their inexperience in meaningless regular season games.

Good analysis. I think its close. The determining factor will be injuries. We stayed relatively healthy last year... a little too healthy. If we don't add depth and lose Hayward, Favors, Burks, or Maybe Burke for a while we could go into JLIII - Tank Mode. I think we are clearly better than the 3 East tankers (I think Boston may be better if they can't find a Rondo taker), but since we play in the West we drop a little in the standings. My guess is our range is 4 - 9 if we don't add anything significant. We are probably awfully close on our projection.

 

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I agree that we'll be pretty bad, but...

Exum > Garrett
Burke year 2 > Burke year 1
Hood is probably > Jefferson
Snyder is probably > Corbin

And I don't think we're done.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I agree that we'll be pretty bad, but...

Exum > Garrett
Burke year 2 > Burke year 1
Hood is probably > Jefferson
Snyder is probably > Corbin

And I don't think we're done.

I think RJ and Marvin were pretty good for us last year and we stayed really healthy. We went 0-14 I believe when Trey was out. I agree we aren't done. I have hope for Snyder, but young teams don't win much.

Also, not 100% sure Hayward is back. I think we are likely plus or minus 3 wins from our record last year, but that we see more progress in the young guys.

The one reservation is Burke and Burks could make a leap that really helps us. The thing I liked with Burke is I felt like he really helped us win games... if he makes a leap we could win 5-7 more games this year.

 

[silesian]

Just worry about the Jazz

That's my biggest concern with anything in the west, but particularly Houston and GSW.

As you know, I am Bodhi's alt, which is why I am shocked to find myself disagreeing with him (I mean myself). I say you do the deal that most benefits the Jazz and not worry how much it helps someone else. Couple reasons: (1) we won't be challenging for championship anytime soon; (2) If we don't facilitate someone else might and Jazz improve less (3) no way to know how this helps or does not help other teams (let's see, how many championships has Melo accumulated so far?)

 

[silesian]

Not no but hell no!!!!!!

I want to start building a winner no more of this ****ing tank crap or talk!!

Hey! Maybe we can do this again next year! Let's just help one team a year get better

Good hell!!!!


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I don't think it is a matter of trying to lose games, but rather of how to best build the future. If we take on $15M in expiring contracts and land two future firsts and a top prospect, you take the deal. Put the bum on the bench, play the kids, develop and (incidentally) wind up late lottery. Play to win. Book it.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

I don't think it is a matter of trying to lose games, but rather of how to best build the future. If we take on $15M in expiring contracts and land two future firsts and a top prospect, you take the deal. Put the bum on the bench, play the kids, develop and (incidentally) wind up late lottery. Play to win. Book it.

So your brilliant idea is two more picks?!?!?! Are we destined to do this every year. Our core is in place let's build a god damn team. We need some vets. You don't build a contender on young players alone! Do you think we are going to keep all of these guys for the next ten + years? We need solid vets to take away the sting of the good talent we will lose to sustain the core talent that will be here for the long haul.