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Bawse Dawg said:
Overthinking it.

If the Utes win out chances are very high that enough happened to get them in. There's five conferences, and a one loss champ in the second best one will get the nod. Unless LSU, Clemson, TCU/Baylor, Mich St./OSU all run the table, a one loss Pac-12 champ gets in. And everything in history says that those teams won't all win out.
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Let's not act like the Pac-12 is the 2nd best this year.
 
fishonjazz said:
Is the pac12 really the second best conference? I see stanford at #9, Utah at #13, and UCLA at #22
I see Baylor at #2, TCU at #5, Oklahoma state at #12, and Oklahoma at #14.

Looks like most voters in the country probably think the big 12 is better than the pac12
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Because it is. The Pac-12 isn't good this year. It's a lot of mid-level teams and a couple of good teams. Nothing elite or top 8 worthy in that conference.
 
I still say as an overall gauntlet the Pac-12 is second hardest to get through behind the SEC. But it's not set in stone, not really the point. They obviously aren't the worst P5 conference.
 
fishonjazz said:
Is the pac12 really the second best conference? I see stanford at #9, Utah at #13, and UCLA at #22
I see Baylor at #2, TCU at #5, Oklahoma state at #12, and Oklahoma at #14.

Looks like most voters in the country probably think the big 12 is better than the pac12
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None of those teams in the Big 12 have played each other yet (pretty amazing to say that this late in the year). So if you are going by rankings, the Big 12 won't have that many highly ranked teams once they start beating each other. (This isn't opinion, but fact. When they play, someone has to lose)

Perception matters more than anything, and the perception is that the Pac 12 is the 2nd best conference in the nation. If you want to talk about facts vs perception, let's talk about how weak the SEC is and has been the last couple years compared to the perception of them.
 
UGLI baby said:
None of those teams in the Big 12 have played each other yet (pretty amazing to say that this late in the year). So if you are going by rankings, the Big 12 won't have that many highly ranked teams once they start beating each other. (This isn't opinion, but fact. When they play, someone has to lose)

Perception matters more than anything, and the perception is that the Pac 12 is the 2nd best conference in the nation. If you want to talk about facts vs perception, let's talk about how weak the SEC is and has been the last couple years compared to the perception of them.
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But I always hear people talk about perception when taking sec. Now you are using it to bolster the pac 12.

Stanford has not played utah yet right? Utah has not played ucla yet right?
So not everyone in the pac has played everyone either.


But that is all beside the point. My point was that the VOTERS (not me, not bias ute fans or pac12 fans, or bias sec fans, etc) have the big12 looking better than the pac12.
Now all that might change as the season goes on..... Also might not.

I'm just saying that if you consider the pac12 to be the 2nd best conference then you are either living in the past, living in the future, or are simply seeing things with a pac12 bias.

Currently the big 12 has to be on top of the pac12 simply by looking at records and rankings.
 
Bawse Dawg said:
I still say as an overall gauntlet the Pac-12 is second hardest to get through behind the SEC. But it's not set in stone, not really the point. They obviously aren't the worst P5 conference.
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Fair enough..... But again, you are thinking of past years and you also have a little (not much, you are pretty damn honest and fair) bit of bias.
 
And hey, I don't know which conference is better out of the pac12 and big 12 or even the sec for that matter.

It's college football. All the college teams from each conference don't play all the teams from the other conferences. There really is no way to know for sure. It's part of what sucks about college football.

Just like everyone said the utes in 04 and 08 were not good enough to beat the big dogs, and then in 08 they destroyed Alabama. Same with Boise a couple of those years.

Allot of opinions in college football have no way to get validated on the field.


I think that the top of the big 12 is better than the pac, but the bottom and middle is worse.... But again, there is know way to know if either of those things are true
 
fishonjazz said:
But I always hear people talk about perception when taking sec. Now you are using it to bolster the pac 12.

Stanford has not played utah yet right? Utah has not played ucla yet right?
So not everyone in the pac has played everyone either.


But that is all beside the point. My point was that the VOTERS (not me, not bias ute fans or pac12 fans, or bias sec fans, etc) have the big12 looking better than the pac12.
Now all that might change as the season goes on..... Also might not.

I'm just saying that if you consider the pac12 to be the 2nd best conference then you are either living in the past, living in the future, or are simply seeing things with a pac12 bias.

Currently the big 12 has to be on top of the pac12 simply by looking at records and rankings.
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It's a nod to undefeated teams that can't stay undefeated. It's impossible for the Big 12 to finish with this many teams ranked this high.

Will they rank a one loss team with fewer wins against bowl eligible teams and no wins against currently ranked teams above a team with those things on their resume? No of course not. That's why Oklahoma is ranked lower than Utah and Stanford. Hell Oklahoma State is undefeated and ranked lower than Utah and Stanford. Going forward as Big 12 teams play each other they are going to drop hard.
 
fishonjazz said:
But I always hear people talk about perception when taking sec. Now you are using it to bolster the pac 12.

Stanford has not played utah yet right? Utah has not played ucla yet right?
So not everyone in the pac has played everyone either.


But that is all beside the point. My point was that the VOTERS (not me, not bias ute fans or pac12 fans, or bias sec fans, etc) have the big12 looking better than the pac12.
Now all that might change as the season goes on..... Also might not.

I'm just saying that if you consider the pac12 to be the 2nd best conference then you are either living in the past, living in the future, or are simply seeing things with a pac12 bias.

Currently the big 12 has to be on top of the pac12 simply by looking at records and rankings.
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An undefeated team in the Big 12 is currently ranked behind two 1 loss Pac 12 teams. A team from the Big 12 with a 16 game win streak is ranked 8th in the CFP poll.

That tells you everything you need to know about the perception of the Big 12
 
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