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[Miggs]

I seriously doubt he goes that high. Most of his long TD's are all about speed. Some of the holes he ran through were huge and the argument can be made that all of those other RB's could have gotten tons of yards on those carries. I'll be surprised if he's drafted before the 6th or 7th rounds. RB's are just not as valuable in the NFL as they once were. Booker was a better back and he went at the end of the 4th round last year. That was a draft without a lot of high level RB's.

I know backs are not valued like they once were. But I think you're wildly underestimating how good he may be. The kid runs hard, tough as hell, breaking tackles, AND has good top end speed. Personally, I think he's a better pro back than McCaffrey and would maybe take him ahead of Chubb.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Running past 5 star DB's

He fast.

Yeah, he looked pretty amazing whenever I watched Utah. Seems kind of small tho.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Also didnt he "retire" because of injuries and loss of desire to play? That seems like it would affect his draft stock.

 

[gregbroncs]

I agree Joe might not get drafted that high, but you're really underestimating his speed and how many of the runs that he has broken, wouldn't have happened with another guy.

Most of his TD runs, at least one DB has an angle that would get 99% of guys tackled, but Joe blazes past them. I think his speed is making it look so easy that it makes it look like big holes anyone could run through. He has had many carries that would have been 20 yards with almost any RB in the nation, but that extra foot of separation his speed gets him let's him beat the last guy and go 60+ for a TD.

A lot of his runs have been almost surreal, similar to when Usain Bolt hits an extra gear and you feel like your eyes are playing tricks on you.

I agree with you, it was not my intention to underestimate that aspect. I didn't make it clear but his speed is great. Pretty sure that's not enough in the NFL though. He gets extra yards with his speed and the effect of him coming through the line and realizing he is probably gone is awe inspiring. He has also played with a lot more toughness than he was to begin the season, that has been fantastic.
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In the NFL his speed can be marginalized because he's not great at making guys miss, he's not great at beating a guy 1 on 1 in space. He is fast, not shifty. He probably has a place in the NFL, but I would not be surprised if he doesn't get drafted at all. Because of RB's not being as sought after, him quitting during his senior season, and his lack of other NFL skills outside of speed, he may not be drafted because of those factors.
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All that said his speed when he has field in front of him is amazing.

 

[gregbroncs]

I know backs are not valued like they once were. But I think you're wildly underestimating how good he may be. The kid runs hard, tough as hell, breaking tackles, AND has good top end speed. Personally, I think he's a better pro back than McCaffrey and would maybe take him ahead of Chubb.

I think you are really overestimating his value in the NFL. He really doesn't make guys miss or break very many tackles. He is now breaking arm tackles by off balance players but does not make guys miss in space and doesn't win one on one battles to make a guy miss or break those tackles very often. His only NFL level skill, IMO, is speed.

 

[gregbroncs]

Also didnt he "retire" because of injuries and loss of desire to play? That seems like it would affect his draft stock.

That was to excuse they had for him retiring. I think it had more to due with: he wasn't playing well, he couldn't hold onto the ball, and he was going to be the 3rd string back for the rest of the season. When Utah got decimated by injuries he came back.

 

[RJF]

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[Miggs]

I think you are really overestimating his value in the NFL. He really doesn't make guys miss or break very many tackles. He is now breaking arm tackles by off balance players but does not make guys miss in space and doesn't win one on one battles to make a guy miss or break those tackles very often. His only NFL level skill, IMO, is speed.

Overestimating? I have him going in the bottom half of the third round. I'm not saying he is an elite back.

 

[UGLI baby]

I agree with you, it was not my intention to underestimate that aspect. I didn't make it clear but his speed is great. Pretty sure that's not enough in the NFL though. He gets extra yards with his speed and the effect of him coming through the line and realizing he is probably gone is awe inspiring. He has also played with a lot more toughness than he was to begin the season, that has been fantastic.
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In the NFL his speed can be marginalized because he's not great at making guys miss, he's not great at beating a guy 1 on 1 in space. He is fast, not shifty. He probably has a place in the NFL, but I would not be surprised if he doesn't get drafted at all. Because of RB's not being as sought after, him quitting during his senior season, and his lack of other NFL skills outside of speed, he may not be drafted because of those factors.
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All that said his speed when he has field in front of him is amazing.

The part I disagree with you on is the part where you said other RB's would have ran through those holes too.

One a bunch of Joe's long TD runs, any of our other RB's would've had a nice gain, but not a TD. This isn't a case of Joe having a completely open field, it's him beating super fast dudes to the spot, even when they have the angle on him.

 

[gregbroncs]

Overestimating? I have him going in the bottom half of the third round. I'm not saying he is an elite back.

Bottom half of the 3rd round is way high for him. Booker went at the end of the 4th round. Bottom half of the 3rd round is for guys that are elite at the RB position. Or at least have the potential to be.
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Last year there were a grand total of 4 backs selected in the 1st 3 rounds of the draft.

 

[gregbroncs]

The part I disagree with you on is the part where you said other RB's would have ran through those holes too.

One a bunch of Joe's long TD runs, any of our other RB's would've had a nice gain, but not a TD. This isn't a case of Joe having a completely open field, it's him beating super fast dudes to the spot, even when they have the angle on him.

I wasn't talking about our other RB's. But the others another poster mentioned. And I'm not sure any of them house them like Joe did because his speed is exceptional. But they have huge gains on a majority of them.

 

[prodigy]

Joe will go in the 6th or 7th round IMO

Watched the first Utes basketball game some thoughts:

-If there was any doubt this is Kyle Kuzma's team, nearly had a 20-20. torch been passed from Delon to Jakob and now Kuzma.
-Sometimes you don't know want to expect from JC guys but Tyler Rawson was impressive, seems like the teams glue guy- does the dirty work, blocking shots, makes hustle plays, and can also knock down some shots.
-Gabe Bealer athleticism was on display, some nice drives and finishes at the hoop
-Devon Daniels really struggled early on but got better as the game went along
-Bonam was oddly quiet, just a off night for him
-Jayce Johnson has got nice patience around the rim and was able to keep drawing fouls
-We really struggled shooting from downtown, Parker Van **** had a rough night shooting

was a bit of sloppy performance you can kind of expect from a team that's new playing together but there was some positives we can build on