Official Utah Utes Football 2012 Thread

[Hartsock]

Agree to disagree there. I think if you had a Pac12 draft based solely on talent then Utah would not be picked above OSU, UCLA, or Washington.


I'd like to see the stats to back that up please.


But you are trying to downplay the importance of talent and you mentioned the last 2 years of recruiting like every team out there should be great after 2 years of recruiting.

Look, it's fine if you want to blame the coaches. They are most at blame. But to claim a lack of talent hasn't been a big factor for the Utes versus the Pac12 is just haterism or something. And I get that. If I remember right you're the guy that blames Sloan for everything, too. So no surprises here.

Washington and UCLA are far superior based on pure talent, they have quite a few top 100 recruits on both those squads, for some reason they always underperforn though. Utah is probably on par with OSU at best just based on pure talent.

 

[SaltyDawg]

By the way, I sent that from my laptop you tool.

Good for you. Next you can brag about your 13" black and white tv.

 

[SaltyDawg]

Washington and UCLA are far superior based on pure talent, they have quite a few top 100 recruits on both those squads, for some reason they always underperforn though. Utah is probably on par with OSU at best just based on pure talent.

So Utah, who isn't going to a bowl game, is on par with the team currently tanned #15 in the BCS rankings. Talent is not the big issue it's been made out to be.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

Last year Montana State was probably the best FBS team. If they weren't the best, they were at least in the discussion. MUCH better than this year's Northern Colorado.

Last year Colorado BEAT Utah. Even though they sucked, they were clearly better than this year's Colorado team. Incidentally, Colorado just set school futility records for not winning a single home game and only winning 1 game overall. Clearly, they were much worse than last season.

In fact, the only game they won this year was at Washington State. That's how bad Washington State was this year. Clearly, they were much worse than they were last year.

UCLA won the division last year. Not sure they were all that much better this year. They just played crappier teams this year.

Pathetic.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

Good for you. Next you can brag about your 13" black and white tv.

Cut and paste.

Pathetic.

 

[SaltyDawg]

Pathetic.

The only thing pathetic about it is that some douche bag would deny it.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

The only thing pathetic about it is that some douche bag would deny it.

True. UCLA at 6-8 last year was just as good as this year's squad who beat three ranked teams in Nebraska, USC and Arizona and is in the PAC-12 Championship game. And Oregon State who was 3-9 was just as good as this year's 8-3 team. That makes sense.

Pathetic.

 

[SaltyDawg]

True. UCLA at 6-8 last year was just as good as this year's squad who beat three ranked teams in Nebraska, USC and Arizona and is in the PAC-12 Championship game. And Oregon State who was 3-9 was just as good as this year's 8-3 team. That makes sense.

Pathetic.

I didn't say Oregon State was just as good last year. Reading comprehension issues?

Arizona and USC aren't currently, and won't finish ranked. They beat 1 ranked team this year, Nebraska. They may have been slightly better this year, but not very much.

In any case, Utah played them close, only losing by 7 at UCLA. So either UCLA isn't as great as you're making them out to be, or Utah isn't as bad as you're making them out to be.

Utah clearly declined. UCLA faced an easier opponent this season than they did last season.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

I didn't say Oregon State was just as good last year. Reading comprehension issues?

Arizona and USC aren't currently, and won't finish ranked. They beat 1 ranked team this year, Nebraska. They may have been slightly better this year, but not very much.

In any case, Utah played them close, only losing by 7 at UCLA. So either UCLA isn't as great as you're making them out to be, or Utah isn't as bad as you're making them out to be.

Utah clearly declined. UCLA faced an easier opponent this season than they did last season.

I'm done with this because you see what you want to see. Everyone else sees things one way. Salty sees it his. He is right. End of story.

Pathetic.

 

[SaltyDawg]

I'm done with this because you see what you want to see. Everyone else sees things one way. Salty sees it his. He is right. End of story.

Pathetic.

So wait, are you claiming Utah is actually just as good as they were last season? Or do you actually agree with me that they got worse, but want to argue anyway because you're a douche bag?

 

[CONAN]

I was high on Utah going into the Pac 12, yes. And they came within a sniff of winning their division last season.

I wouldn't really hang my hat on that given that USC was on probation. But whatever.

They got worse this season. That is why I'm not buying into the whole Pac 12 talent adjustment argument. If it was just a matter of adjusting to superior talent, Utah would have sucked last season and gotten better this season, not the other way around.

I really don't see a huge difference between the Utes this season and the Utes last season. But whatever, if you want to discount talent and think Utah is on par with the rest of the Pac12 then whatever.

 

[SaltyDawg]

I wouldn't really hang my hat on that given that USC was on probation. But whatever.


I really don't see a huge difference between the Utes this season and the Utes last season. But whatever, if you want to discount talent and think Utah is on par with the rest of the Pac12 then whatever.

You don't see a difference between Utah last season and Utah this season?

Well, for starters, Utah won a bowl game last season (against a BCS conference school) while not even finishing at .500 this season. The only team with a winning record that Utah beat this season was BYU.

Utah also had arguably the best running back in the Pac 12 last season. White was decent this season, but nowhere near as good as last season. And the receivers were all way better last season. Based on this season you'd think the only decent receiver Utah had on the roster was Jake Murphy, a tight end.

How are you judging talent when you say Utah doesn't have any?

For example, receivers... Do you think Utah has Pac 12 caliber receivers based on this season? Probably not, right? They didn't look good this season. However, those same receivers looked good last season, and even NFL caliber before that.

Where exactly do you think Utah has a lack of talent? I'd say they might be a little thin on the o line, and the qb was a freshman, but other than that, Utah has plenty of Pac 12 caliber players on the offense.

No team is perfect, there is always going to be strengths and weaknesses. I don't think you can say Utah doesn't have Pac 12 talent just because they're not starting NFL players at every position.

Even though they both sucked this year, I would not be at all surprised to see Devonte Christopher in the NFL next season, and Dres Anderson in the NFL when he leaves school. Also John White is definitely going to be in the NFL, and Jake Murphy probably will too.

If that happens, and it's not at all far fetched, that means Utah started at least 4 NFL players on offense this year. How can you say they have no talent when they might have started 4 NFL players? (I'm only talking about offense here, we all know Utah has plenty of talent on defense)

And there could be others, of course. Like Reggie Dunn, Luke Matthews, and even Travis Wilson.

I remember watching that Utah/UCLA game on tv and the announcers were saying that almost every Pac 12 school recruited Travis Wilson.

I also remember when everyone said Utah had a lack of talent against Alabama in the Sugar Bowl, and then 11 players from that Utah team went on to play in the NFL.

Similar situation here, except the offensive and defensive coordinator positions aren't as good as they were back then. The defensive coordinator is getting better, but he's still no Gary Anderson, and the offensive coordinator was downright terrible this season. Terrible to the point that even the few bright spots we had on offense last year looked terrible this year.