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Official Utah Utes Football 2012 Thread

jazzman12 said:
This debate is getting bogged down in semantics. The bottom line is still this: When Utah finally has Pac 12 quality QB's, and Pac 12 talent and depth at all the O line spots, they will compete at a quality level. Until that day comes, they will struggle.
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/thread.

Start the Utah 2013 thread now.
 
SaltyDawg said:
I didn't change anything. I just didn't accept your splitting hairs as valid, and showed why it isn't valid. My argument was, and still is, Utah took a step backwards from last year to this year. And if that is true (which it is) then Utah's troubles can't dining be written off as shock from adjusting to the new conference. If it was simply a problem adjusting to the new conference, then Utah would have struggled last season and got a little better this season, not the other way around.
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Whatever, Dude. I blasted your .500 argument totally out of the water and so you switched to something about bowl games.
 
jazzman12 said:
This debate is getting bogged down in semantics. The bottom line is still this: When Utah finally has Pac 12 quality QB's, and Pac 12 talent and depth at all the O line spots, they will compete at a quality level. Until that day comes, they will struggle.
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It seems you are assuming that they will just automatically end up having pac 12 quality qb's and depth on the o-line and when that happens they will automatically compete at a quality level.

How low has washington state been in the pac 12? They should have pac 12 quality players by now and therefore should be competing at a quality level.

There is a possibility that utah will be at the bottom of the pac 12 for many years to come (not that i think that will be the case, but it is a possibility).
 
Bronco70 said:
A quality O line will open holes for the backs and provide QB protection. You have to do both.

Utah's O line is adequate for the former (plus, White is really good at exploiting even small gaps), but they seem to struggle with the latter. A top tier QB can help compensate, but that's the catch - you have to have a top tier QB.
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I totally agree. Where I disagree, is when someone says our o line is lacking talent so bad that it justifies a losing record.

If we have one of the leading running backs in the conference, or o line is good enough to finish .500 or better. I agree the o line is not the greatest, but it's still not horrible. It's decent.
 
jazzman12 said:
This debate is getting bogged down in semantics. The bottom line is still this: When Utah finally has Pac 12 quality QB's, and Pac 12 talent and depth at all the O line spots, they will compete at a quality level. Until that day comes, they will struggle.
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Obviously anyone can win if they have enough talent. My argument is that we had enough talent for a .500 (or better) team this year. If Whit was good enough to be above criticism, he would have taken this team to a bowl game.

If, for example, we had Boise State's coaching staff, I have no doubt this team goes to a bowl game this year.

Besides, after 2.5 recruiting classes, we still lack talent? When do we start holding coaches accountable for not recruiting the talent we need?
 
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