Offseason Random Twitter Comments about Jazz Players

[A-Train (old)]

Sounds like those 3 are pretty tight.
Millsap + Burks for Ellis?

Normally might not consider this, but I'm thinking Millsap is going to want $13-14M and we'll lose him anyway. Ellis has 2 years remaining on his contract.

I wouldn't do Burks for Ellis let alone Millsap and Burks, but what about Millsap for Ellis and a unprotected first?

 

[nightmare3983]

I wouldn't do Burks for Ellis let alone Millsap and Burks, but what about Millsap for Ellis and a unprotected first?

That would be very tempting to me with the unprotected draft pick. I don't think Milwaukee would do that, but I wouldn't have thought the Nets were that stupid either.

 

[akirac73]

Well Gilbert Arenas and Nick Young pulled guns out!!! So throwing a ball at his teammates seems pretty calm. I assure you that there have been worse things done and said about teammates in the NBA. DW was clearly frustrated with all the changes and the way the team was being run. He shouldn't have throw the ball at his teammate but there is ZERO evidence that Gordon was a chosen target. He could have throw the ball at any teammate because it was more about being frustrated than being mad at Gordon. Gordon just happened to make the same mistake and an immature DW took his frustration out on the player who happen to piss him off. I don't see any malice nor have I read anywhere that DW disliked Gordon.

I think Zach Randolph was accused of chucking balls at his teammates during practice. Of course it isn't seen to much but you don't see coaches hit/bump refs too often but Sloan did it a couple of times. Guys lose their tempers because they are competitive so again I don't think DW or SLoan targeted their "victim" because of a personal dislike but the incident developed more out of frustration.

Again, people are always looking for the worse in people. Many people like to create drama where there is no drama. I believe that if DW hated either Gordon or AK (many accuse him of this), he would just come out and say it. DW has never been quilty of mincing his words so until I hear that DW says he can't stand Gordon or AK than I will just believe it was a poor behavior resulting from frustration and not a targeted assault on Gordon.

Deron doesn't hate AK...look how happy they look together at the olympics:

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

If we can't resign Millsap I'd rather let him walk then trade for Ellis. He gets his stats but doesn't play wining basketball. I'd rather use the extra money to sign someone who understands wining as a team.

 

[theNBAnerd]

motown, where did you get the number 13M from?

 

[NAOS]

motown, where did you get the number 13M from?

Literally EVERYTHING he has alleged about numbers is out of his ***, and he has drastically over-analyzed things about negotiations and Paul's stubbornness about his role on the team. It has taken odd Freudian dimensions.

 

[NAOS]

... _______ gets his stats but doesn't play wining basketball. I'd rather use the extra money to sign someone who understands wining as a team.

Who are you talking about? Hopefully not someone already on our team.

 

[GVC]

Not sure what team I'd follow if the Jazz decided to build around Al Jefferson and Monta Ellis.

 

[Stifle Tower]

motown, where did you get the number 13M from?

Just a guess on market value. Do you think a starter of Paul's caliber is going to want less than Kris Humphries? At minimum, I'd think he'd want at least as much as Wallace or Batum.

 

[ema]

Not sure what team I'd follow if the Jazz decided to build around Al Jefferson and Monta Ellis.

+3. Even Kanter being on the Jazz wouldn't keep me as a Jazz fan in that scenario.

Edit: It's +4

 

[theNBAnerd]

Just a guess on market value. Do you think a starter of Paul's caliber is going to want less than Kris Humphries? At minimum, I'd think he'd want at least as much as Wallace or Batum.

well wallace's deal averages 10M and batum's averages 11.5M. so i'm still not sure where you get 13M.

(EDITED: humphries is higher than both those two at 12M.)

 

[Stifle Tower]

Literally EVERYTHING he has alleged about numbers is out of his ***, and he has drastically over-analyzed things about negotiations and Paul's stubbornness about his role on the team. It has taken odd Freudian dimensions.

And I think those that said, hey, let's give Millsap $10M or we don't we offer AK $5M to return did the same thing. Ultimately, we won't know market value for Paul unless/until he becomes a FA. But agents and players do look at what players have signed for recently, or what players at their position and level are currently making. Humphries just signed for $12M/per.

Here's a list of some PF's. I'll purposely leave off the "superstars" since I don't think Paul is in that category:

J. Smith - $13.2M
Humphries - $12M
Boozer - $15M
Aldridge - $14M
Lee - $12.7M
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T. Thomas - $8M (even crappy PF's are paid a high salary)
Villaneuva - $8.1M
Ilyasova - $7.9M
Varejao - $8.4M


I think it very reasonable to assume Paul will start off asking for something above Humphries-type money, and over more years. So perhaps the Jazz then counter with $11M for 4years (vs. $12M for 2). And the two sides, if they agree, split the difference, with Paul getting a contract in the range of 4/$48M. Do we want to pay him that much? Because I'll bet another team like Houston would love to have a player of Paul's caliber. Run more plays for him and he'll be in the 20/10 range.