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Ron Mexico said:
Why did we need 3v3 basketball in the Olympics. Better question is do we really need to see Jimmer choking at the top level again?! We might as well bring The Professor over and at least be entertained.
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I've seen him in LA making a video with his school bus with a hoop on it or whatever it is. It was interesting to see how often he actually got taken to the hoop. He's very selective about what goes in his videos, of course. But is was entertaining. I think when I saw him he was practicing new moves because he was losing the ball left and right. But man, when he hit those moves, it was way better in person. We need and1 in the Olympics. That'd be awesome.
 
Some US basketball team out here watching Biles as she wins Gold.

That’s a 2.5 hour drive between Lyon and Paris.

Well worth it though, her floor routine’s a sight to behold.
 
KqWIN said:
This is the last place in the world I would want to discuss such issue, but I do feel like I should at least set the record straight. The Algerian boxer is not a trans woman and the Italian boxer forfeited because they got hit in the face, not because of any issues related to the Algerian boxer's gender. I've been seeing some fox newsy types running rampant on twitter. I am in no way shape or form an expert on intersex people, I don't care to discuss nor do I feel like I should. But this is not some trans panic situation that twitter verified "stock traders" are enraged about.
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Yeah, my bad, I just educated myself more and was about to correct my earlier post, as I learned she is biologically intersex, just like Caster Semenya on track and field.

This is such a tough topic, but something that world of sports just have to start dealing with better. The variety between all kinds of Testo levels or red cell levels between both xx, xy genders and everything in between also varies quite much. I know intersex lady that plays in lower division soccer league and no one would know about her more rare combination of chromosomes. There has probably been in history both great athletes that are biologically women but having abnormally high levels of something that helps them, and also intersex people,hermafrodites etc. As we know now more about these things, the first people they're doing closer tests about are the ones having some physical traits that reminds people of masculine.

Would be an interesting hypothetical case if we'd have biologically woman that is measured for example, nanomole levels in testosterone higher than the rules state (In athletics, IAAF have it on 2,5 nanomoles per litre, who's is rare but possible for biologically women to exceed) - would she be closed down aso g she goes through same kind of medication that intersex athletes have forced to forgot, to continue competing...

As of now, per wikipedia,this how IAAF operates:
"The first version of the rules applied to all women with high testosterone, but the current version of the rules only apply to athletes with certain XY disorders of sexual development, and set a 5 nmol/L testosterone limit, which applies only to distances between 400 m and 1 mile (inclusive)"

So basically, they are only regularly testing some things only for intersex person's, so in theory, women with the usual xx chromosomes gets better treatment only based by the likelihood of them not ever exceeding the levels. Although it's rare and usually bc of so e health condition issue,it's not beyond d possible what I understand.

The reason I decided to look up into this is how they do t still offer any options. You either have to go through possible painful medication (before finding right kind of medication to lower the levels, body might react pretty heavily), or forget competitive sports for good.

The other reason is that there is some adult athletes like Semenya or Mboma (200m silver medalist from Tokyo), that have first been under certain rules and max. levels from IAAF, who then have quite abrudtly lowered the levels leaving a little time to fix again the medication they'd have no use for anything else than be eligible to take part on competitions. No financial compensations usually given, no any real work put into find ways if there could be more disciplines beside men's and women's competitions.

I don't know definite and simple solution, but it's certain that both some biologically female athletes might be in disadvantage while the whole intersex (and trans) communities take hits bc these women just want to compete. The issue is even more complex with intersex competitors than athletes that have gone on HRT Ang gender reassigment in their adulthood (they most always have a clear upper hand in several sports, especially marshall arts, weightlifting and anything where body proportions and socializing to compete with boys in their childhood and teens have given the upper hand for mostly cis women's competitions)

TL;DR Associations and Olympic committee have to come up with more solutions and work hard on it. So far,the general public sympathy has mostly gone for xx chromosomes women, and many times understandably. But many times the discourses forget what some of differing athletes have to go through with, when different sports leaders and shooting dice to decide this and that then onceore. In the end, now all counterparts suffer less or more
 
I don't understand anything about gymnastics but every Olympics Simone Biles makes it great. That's a true mark of being generational talent! Once again, great stuff!
 
fishonjazz said:
I think when it comes to competing in sports you should compete with/against the sex that you were born as.


One thing I would be interested to know is if a woman who transitioned to being a man has ever competed in mens sports in a highly competitive level and had any success.

We always hear about men transitioning to a woman and competing against women, which causes controversy, but has the opposite ever happened?
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Step-Back Lauri said:
Yeah, my bad, I just educated myself more and was about to correct my earlier post, as I learned she is biologically intersex, just like Caster Semenya on track and field.

This is such a tough topic, but something that world of sports just have to start dealing with better. The variety between all kinds of Testo levels or red cell levels between both xx, xy genders and everything in between also varies quite much. I know intersex lady that plays in lower division soccer league and no one would know about her more rare combination of chromosomes. There has probably been in history both great athletes that are biologically women but having abnormally high levels of something that helps them, and also intersex people,hermafrodites etc. As we know now more about these things, the first people they're doing closer tests about are the ones having some physical traits that reminds people of masculine.

Would be an interesting hypothetical case if we'd have biologically woman that is measured for example, nanomole levels in testosterone higher than the rules state (In athletics, IAAF have it on 2,5 nanomoles per litre, who's is rare but possible for biologically women to exceed) - would she be closed down aso g she goes through same kind of medication that intersex athletes have forced to forgot, to continue competing...

As of now, per wikipedia,this how IAAF operates:
"The first version of the rules applied to all women with high testosterone, but the current version of the rules only apply to athletes with certain XY disorders of sexual development, and set a 5 nmol/L testosterone limit, which applies only to distances between 400 m and 1 mile (inclusive)"

So basically, they are only regularly testing some things only for intersex person's, so in theory, women with the usual xx chromosomes gets better treatment only based by the likelihood of them not ever exceeding the levels. Although it's rare and usually bc of so e health condition issue,it's not beyond d possible what I understand.

The reason I decided to look up into this is how they do t still offer any options. You either have to go through possible painful medication (before finding right kind of medication to lower the levels, body might react pretty heavily), or forget competitive sports for good.

The other reason is that there is some adult athletes like Semenya or Mboma (200m silver medalist from Tokyo), that have first been under certain rules and max. levels from IAAF, who then have quite abrudtly lowered the levels leaving a little time to fix again the medication they'd have no use for anything else than be eligible to take part on competitions. No financial compensations usually given, no any real work put into find ways if there could be more disciplines beside men's and women's competitions.

I don't know definite and simple solution, but it's certain that both some biologically female athletes might be in disadvantage while the whole intersex (and trans) communities take hits bc these women just want to compete. The issue is even more complex with intersex competitors than athletes that have gone on HRT Ang gender reassigment in their adulthood (they most always have a clear upper hand in several sports, especially marshall arts, weightlifting and anything where body proportions and socializing to compete with boys in their childhood and teens have given the upper hand for mostly cis women's competitions)

TL;DR Associations and Olympic committee have to come up with more solutions and work hard on it. So far,the general public sympathy has mostly gone for xx chromosomes women, and many times understandably. But many times the discourses forget what some of differing athletes have to go through with, when different sports leaders and shooting dice to decide this and that then onceore. In the end, now all counterparts suffer less or more
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Yeah, I wasn’t trying to call you out….I’ve just seen so much trans panic so I wanted to set the record straight that no trans woman is even involved. She was born a woman, lived her entire life as a woman, already competed at the Olympics as a woman (nobody gave af 3 years ago btw), and could not even be a trans woman as she is from Algeria where a male cannot transition.

Intersex is more complicated and something I don’t know much about. I applaud you for actually trying to think through a more nuanced topic. With your approach of empathy, a reasonable solution can be found, but unfortunately that is not the discourse. Truthfully, the discourse is one side saying “**** trans” and the other side is saying “she’s not even trans”.

I’ll also correct my earlier statement as it does seem as though the Italian boxer is trying to make herself a martyr. Nobody cared when the Algerian boxer got 5th at the last Olympics, but her quitting the match has really riled up the transphobes….which again, a trans person is not even involved.
 
KqWIN said:
This is the last place in the world I would want to discuss such issue, but I do feel like I should at least set the record straight. The Algerian boxer is not a trans woman and the Italian boxer forfeited because they got hit in the face, not because of any issues related to the Algerian boxer's gender. I've been seeing some fox newsy types running rampant on twitter. I am in no way shape or form an expert on intersex people, I don't care to discuss nor do I feel like I should. But this is not some trans panic situation that twitter verified "stock traders" are enraged about.
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fishonjazz said:
Interesting. So people are saying the Italian boxer forfeited because the opponent is trans and the opponent isn't actually trans? Well that's stupid.

Also, a boxer forfeited a boxing match because he was hit in the face? Isn't that supposed to happen in boxing matches?

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Lol let me set things righ, there is a trans woman Boxer. She was barred from competing in the 2023 world championships after after she failed an unspecified gender eligibility test that basically said she’s a he.

Men have no place in women’s sports. I don’t care what here she had notifies as she is a biological he and for a man to go into a sport like boxing and box women that was the cowardly move. What she did was not shameful had she continued she could’ve been seriously injured.

@KqWIN I don’t know how you think that’s not a man but here’s a link

www.ktsm.com

Women’s Olympic boxer at center of gender debate wins after opponent abandons match

Algerian women’s boxer Imane Khelif beat opponent Angela Carini Thursday in just 46 seconds after the Italian abandoned the Olympic match, fueling a debate over gender testing requirements at…
www.ktsm.com
 
Thee Idiotic Minivan K said:
Lol let me set things righ, there is a trans woman Boxer. She was barred from competing in the 2023 world championships after after she failed an unspecified gender eligibility test that basically said she’s a he.

Men have no place in women’s sports. I don’t care what here she had notifies as she is a biological he and for a man to go into a sport like boxing and box women that was the cowardly move. What she did was not shameful had she continued she could’ve been seriously injured.

@KqWIN I don’t know how you think that’s not a man but here’s a link

www.ktsm.com

Women’s Olympic boxer at center of gender debate wins after opponent abandons match

Algerian women’s boxer Imane Khelif beat opponent Angela Carini Thursday in just 46 seconds after the Italian abandoned the Olympic match, fueling a debate over gender testing requirements at…
www.ktsm.com
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You don’t know what a trans woman is. If you want to discuss how intersex women fit into sports, that’s a larger conversation which I couldn’t care less about having that discussion here. This is especially true for people who keep claiming she’s a trans woman.

People who actually care about woman’s sports will approach the issue like @Step-Back Lauri. They aren’t people who suddenly hop in because of trans panic. Nobody cared when the Algerian boxer got whooped last Olympics, but now they care because it’s a culture war issue.
 
Thee Idiotic Minivan K said:
Lol let me set things righ, there is a trans woman Boxer. She was barred from competing in the 2023 world championships after after she failed an unspecified gender eligibility test that basically said she’s a he.

Men have no place in women’s sports. I don’t care what here she had notifies as she is a biological he and for a man to go into a sport like boxing and box women that was the cowardly move. What she did was not shameful had she continued she could’ve been seriously injured.

@KqWIN I don’t know how you think that’s not a man but here’s a link

www.ktsm.com

Women’s Olympic boxer at center of gender debate wins after opponent abandons match

Algerian women’s boxer Imane Khelif beat opponent Angela Carini Thursday in just 46 seconds after the Italian abandoned the Olympic match, fueling a debate over gender testing requirements at…
www.ktsm.com
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I have read that the hospital she was born in says she was born a girl and her father says she was born a girl and was unhappy that his little girl wanted to box (I have a daughter and I changed her diapers and gave her baths and know she is a girl so I kind of think the dad probably knows) and she has been boxing female fighters for a long (and had lost to many female fighters) and she lives in a country that is extremely anti gay and trans (very strict muslim country) who is very supportive and proud of her.
Add all that up and compare it to your "evidence" and I think I'm going to give her the benefit of the doubt.

You might not know this but you can buy testosterone and inject in to your body. Even females can do this.



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Thee Idiotic Minivan K said:
Lol let me set things righ, there is a trans woman Boxer. She was barred from competing in the 2023 world championships after after she failed an unspecified gender eligibility test that basically said she’s a he.

Men have no place in women’s sports. I don’t care what here she had notifies as she is a biological he and for a man to go into a sport like boxing and box women that was the cowardly move. What she did was not shameful had she continued she could’ve been seriously injured.

@KqWIN I don’t know how you think that’s not a man but here’s a link

www.ktsm.com

Women’s Olympic boxer at center of gender debate wins after opponent abandons match

Algerian women’s boxer Imane Khelif beat opponent Angela Carini Thursday in just 46 seconds after the Italian abandoned the Olympic match, fueling a debate over gender testing requirements at…
www.ktsm.com
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I just read your link. There is no proof in it that the fighter is male. Unless you consider the Harry Potter author saying that the fighter is male to be proof.
Enjoy your witch hunt though

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Zombie said:
Rowling ought to have been relieved of her wealth over this nonsense ages ago.
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So you think it's okay to take someone's wealth because you don't agree with them? I'm guessing you live in a communist or socialist country.
 
Thee Idiotic Minivan K said:
The test said she was.
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No it didn't. Post the part that said she was born a male. I read the link you posted.

Testing high for testosterone doesn't = male.
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