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Zulu said:
NAOS- Two problems with your posts. First I love your idea about trading Al to the Bucks but it doesn't work finacially!
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I believe it will work once their expirings expire.


Zulu said:
Second let's say we do trade Al (hopefully this happens) Asik would be great to get and we could front load a contract for him, but it doesn't save us money in the latter years like mentioned before, cause the front loaded part only accounts for the actuall money paided out it effects our salary cap differently.
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I don't know the full details about paychecks versus cap hit, and I know there is a difference, but I don't think cap hit is spread out uniformly. In other words, I don't think the fact that the contract is front loaded as zero effect on the cap hit.

On top of all of this, remember that if we just go ahead and let our expirings expire after next year, then we'd have enough to offer to max contracts. In other words, unless we plan on acquiring two max deals, then a contract for around $5 million a year isn't hurting much.
 
The finacial year doesn't end until after the draft, so the bucks won't have the extra cap space from expiring contracts if we want their draft pick!

Millsaps contract was front loaded but on our salary cap it shows a higher number than what we really owe him!
 
Zulu said:
The finacial year doesn't end until after the draft....

this is a wrinkle I hadn't thought of, but it isn't a deal breaker. If we have two first-round picks this year, then we definitely don't want a third. I'll take a future first.

Zulu said:
Millsaps contract was front loaded but on our salary cap it shows a higher number than what we really owe him!
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right, I acknowledged the difference between paycheck and cap hit, but what you're saying doesn't mean that front loading a contract doesn't save on cap hit in subsequent years. I need to look into this more.
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We are paying milsap like 6 million + this year and 7 million + next year, but both this and next year our salary cap hit is 8 million +.
 
asik is a player I've always wanted to see playing alongside kanter. but losing a scorer center like big al and gaining a defensive center like asik won't improve jazz's chances to be a playoff team when we are struggling that much on the offensive end. relatively speaking.
 
addictionary said:
asik is a player I've always wanted to see playing alongside kanter. but losing a scorer center like big al and gaining a defensive center like asik won't improve jazz's chances to be a playoff team when we are struggling that much on the offensive end. relatively speaking.
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Considering that bad defense and a frozen offense are probably the biggest problems this team has, and the guy leading the team in minutes and salary either single-handedly creates those exact problems or exacerbates them, I completely disagree.

Asik's RFA status makes things difficult. There may be better players to go after in terms of team need. Asik will compete with Kanter for minutes, too. But there is definitely merit to the idea. I really like Asik.
 
Omer Asik is already one of the best defender big men in the league, however he is sooo f...... limited in the offensive end. I love him , but i think he is too luxury for being our 4th big men. He should be a starter in a team like Miami (who was 4 good players in other spots) or should be the first back up big men in a contender.

And lets make it clear, our major concern isnt the big man rotation, but the lack of talent in perimeter spots. Lets just move Big Al, and get a good back up big men for really cheap and shift to our more important needs like PG or SF
 
NAOS said:
This thread assumes that Jefferson will be dealt in a cost-cutting move that brings back a pick and a player. (I've suggested a trade with the Bucks that brings back a first-round pick and Mbah a Moute, an elite defensive SF, but don't let this suggestion bog down the discussion here). If such a move were to happen, the Jazz would need to find a fourth big to fill out the roster, but one who would be comfortable with and excel in a backup role.

I'm suggesting that we think about restricted free agent Omer Asik. He rebounds the ball well, plays good team D, and sees the game better than most guys with his size.

I'd envision the front court minutes divided as such:

Favors: 32
Millsap: 20-25 (with 7-10 at SF)
Kanter: 20-24
Asik: 20-24

So, are you interested or not? Why? How much do you think Asik is worth? In other words, how can we pry him away without overpaying?

Here's a look at a very speculative depth chart:

Harris*/Lillard or Marshall(?)/Watson or Tinsley (yes, I understand that Watson is under contract and Tinsely is not)
Hayward/Burks/Rivers(?)
Mbah a Moute/Millsap/Hayward/D.Miller(?)
Millsap**/Favors
Favors/Kanter/Asik

Shooting is still a problem with this roster, but we fix that in the following draft and free-agency splash (ahem, Harden). But, this is a solid roster from a defensive standpoint, and that is my first desire.

*Harris deal comes later after our (hopeful) PG has gotten his feet wet.
**Extension coming!?!
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"Asik sees the game better than most guys his size"

Really?

Is he even on an NBA roster anymore?
 
Asik fell off a cliff. He was playing promising ball coming out of Chicago and into Houston. Defense-first passing big man. Too bad for him.
 
NAOS said:
Asik fell off a cliff. He was playing promising ball coming out of Chicago and into Houston. Defense-first passing big man. Too bad for him.
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basically, every single trade idea you ever made has sucked.
 
NAOS said:
wrong again. That's obvious even from the threads you bumped.
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What then? 99% has sucked. dude, look around, there far more bad ideas here from you, than anyone on this board has ever put out there, ever. You are worse than homeytennis. That's the truth.
 
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