One observation from last night

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  1. LogGrad98

    LogGrad98 Well-Known Member Contributor

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    The poison I would pick is play him as we would with our normal defense.
     
  2. idestroyedthetoilet

    idestroyedthetoilet Well-Known Member

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    I found my way over to twitter today and happened upon some guy doing a lot on this. @ScoutWithBryan look him up, he has some good commentary and pictures, and is much more informed sounding than I'll ever be.

    Bryan Oringher
     
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  3. cowhide

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    That is being shredded by Houston. For all the statistics to back up this claim, the Jazz have no answers on how to stop the rockets.
     
  4. Jack Strop

    Jack Strop Well-Known Member

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    I'm going to argue with you then. If a team can shoot 3's and move the ball a bit, Utah doesn't have defenders who can stop them. The more I watch this team, the more I see the philosophy hasn't changed much from Sloan's days. Dare a team to beat you with 3's. Funnel everything inside to Eaton, I mean Gobert. But if Rudy has to take away a penetrating guard, or come out to guard a good shooting center, it's easy to pass it inside to the vacated spot.
     
  5. fishonjazz

    fishonjazz Well-Known Member Contributor 2019 Award Winner 2018 Award Winner

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    Well I mean we beat them twice this season without playing the gimmick defense being currently employed

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  6. fishonjazz

    fishonjazz Well-Known Member Contributor 2019 Award Winner 2018 Award Winner

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    Except how statistically we allow the least amount of 3 pointers in the league and had a top defense in the league even though the league is all about the 3 ball.

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  7. Scat

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    Once without Gobert.
     
  8. Wes Mantooth

    Wes Mantooth Well-Known Member

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    We didn't allow the least. We were tied for 7th least. And we were exactly middle of the road in 3 pt% allowed at 35.5%.
     
  9. cowhide

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    That was at the beginning of the year when Houston was struggling. Since the All-star break Houston has been one of the best teams.
     
  10. fishonjazz

    fishonjazz Well-Known Member Contributor 2019 Award Winner 2018 Award Winner

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    I agree. Yet we still beat them (twice) and ever other team we beat without a gimmick defense.

    With the gimmick defense we have beat zero teams and been blown out, embarrassed, and looked stupid twice.

    Sign me up for our normal defense please.

    From what I understand the reason we are employing the embarrassing gimmick defense is because we are scared of harden shooting threes and stepback threes in particular.
    Why are we so afraid of that again? Harden shot 36.8% from three this year. That's ok but nothing to freak out about. I'm fine with him taking and making threes at a 36/37 percent clip. That's what he shoots against defenses that play him straight up.
    Against the jazz and their gimmick defense in the playoffs harden is shooting 44% from three.

    The rockets as a team shot 36% from 3 in the regular season.
    Against the jazz gimmick playoff defense they are shooting 39% from three.

    Doesn't seem to be working.

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  11. fishonjazz

    fishonjazz Well-Known Member Contributor 2019 Award Winner 2018 Award Winner

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    Fair enough. (I remember a post a while ago, I think from Ron Mexico, and we allowed the least at that time)

    Even with your numbers it disputes what jack strop was saying (that we don't care about defending the 3)

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  12. idestroyedthetoilet

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    Your contention with taking away Harden's 3 is as simple as his shooting percent? C'mon man.

    That's not the only thing forcing him right attempts to take away anyway.
     
  13. fishonjazz

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    What I know for certain is that the rockets offense is playing better in the playoffs against a great defense than they did in the regular season when they got to go up against all the garbage defensive teams to help bring up their offensive numbers.

    What we are doing isn't working.
    What we were doing prior to the playoffs was working.

    I also think our strategy isn't only hurting our defense (which it definitely is) but I think it is also hurting our offense.

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  14. idestroyedthetoilet

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    Overplaying to force right (it's not a gimmick it is forcing right) has not worked. Arguing against Harden's 3 pts % is dumb support for why to stop forcing right so hard. His ppp on 3's is insane and it also opens up the rest of his game. Trying to take it away is logical. When that isnt working doing something else is logical.
     
  15. fishonjazz

    fishonjazz Well-Known Member Contributor 2019 Award Winner 2018 Award Winner

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    They are doing more than trying to force right.
    You should always try to force players to their weaker hand.
    What they have been doing is guarding him from behind and giving him the paint.

    Big distinction there.

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  16. homeytennis

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    What pi$$es me off is that we could have put the Stars out there for these two games and probably not have lost as badly. Earn your paychecks guys.
     
  17. idestroyedthetoilet

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    I know what they're doing. Poppovich did it and was successful so now every other coach wants to try. Still, his step back 3 is something insane like 1.5 pop and the reason they lead the league in ppp and needs to be stopped somehow.

    Utah was 2nd in ppp BTW. Defense is a complaint but offense is the clear problem in this series.
     
  18. fishonjazz

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    Spurs were 1-3 against the rockets in the regular season and -25 against them in point differential.
    The one win was on November 10th and they won by 7.

    I don't call that successful.

    Jazz were 2-2 against the rockets in the regular season and +6 in point differential

    I kinda think the jazz were more successful and should have just kept doing what they did in the regular season.

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  19. idestroyedthetoilet

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    What are you on about? Pop tried it in a game Harden didnt shoot well. What do all the other games have to do with it? You said Harden's above average 3 pt% shouldn't be a big worry. That's simply fantastic.
     
  20. fishonjazz

    fishonjazz Well-Known Member Contributor 2019 Award Winner 2018 Award Winner

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    What game? And if it worked in that game then why didn't he keep trying it?
    Let me know so I can look up video of that game

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