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Out-groups and berhaviors, stemming from joking about rape

One Brow said:
I didn't deny that the phenomenon exists regarding murders. I said it was considered rude to direct such comments to the people affected by the tragedy in murders, but not with rape. Almost no one goes up to the grieving spouse and says "he should have worn a helmet". Rape victims and their supporters constantly tell of stories about people saying they should not have been drinking, etc.

Are you saying you think the frequency is equal, or that frequency doesn't indicate cutural attitudes? Are you asking if there are studies on the frequenciy of victim-blaming? Should I do antoher search, and find such studies, does that prove the point, or are there more loaded examples waiting in the wings?
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I'd offer to help you off that horse if I could reach that high.

Yes, I'm saying the frequency of victim-blaming is equal. I'm saying I think you're incorrect in your assessment. Your verbiage is quite absolute in its nature, which is, I think, part of my issue with your arguments here.

I consider it rude to comment to people in such a manner in the case of murder OR with rape. I am aware of situations, however, where both have occurred. I am curious what your basis is for being able to confidently state that one is culturally acceptable while the other is not.
 
One Brow said:
Thank you for being specific about the level of evidence you need before you admit there is a problem. Given the demand, I have no problem saying it's not worth my time to convince you.
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When did I say there is not a problem?

You said that victim-blaming in the case of rape is "the common response, not the fringe response". My beef is not about whether that response exists, but about your assertion that it is "THE common response". You cite a few examples, which does absolutely nothing to back up that assertion. I have personally not encountered the same culture in MY anecdotal experience, but apparently you have.

This deflection and changing the terms of the argument is a common strategy for you, and I'm not surprised. I'm mostly disappointed with myself for being sucked in once again.
 
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PS, One Brow: have a bite.

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bordelais7 said:
I am curious what your basis is for being able to confidently state that one is culturally acceptable while the other is not.
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You do realize the irony of posting while, in the parent thread, someone offered an example of a court saying women in jeans can't be raped, because the jeans could not have been removed without consent? I look forward to your producing an equivalent link for murders or accidents.

At any rate, a study that found a difference in assigning blame pased partly on the type of crime (in addition to the gender of the victim):

https://psycnet.apa.org/journals/psp/47/3/494/


Another study for lawyers, explaining that depending on the circumstance, your counterfactuals should include different amounts of victim-blaiming to be successful, comparing rapes to auto accidents:

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1559-1816.1996.tb01124.x/abstract
 
bordelais7 said:
When did I say there is not a problem?
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I should have said, "a difference in the level of the problem". My apologies for the over-generalization. If providing over 90,000 references is needed to demonstrate to you there is more of a problem, I'm comfortable with you believing there is no difference in the level of the problem.

bordelais7 said:
You said that victim-blaming in the case of rape is "the common response, not the fringe response". My beef is not about whether that response exists, but about your assertion that it is "THE common response". You cite a few examples, which does absolutely nothing to back up that assertion. I have personally not encountered the same culture in MY anecdotal experience, but apparently you have.
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Fair enough. Does your anecdotal experience include reading the depictions of rape victims about how they were treated after their rapes? That might be where the disconnect lies. What is your anecdotal experience?

bordelais7 said:
This deflection and changing the terms of the argument is a common strategy for you, and I'm not surprised. I'm mostly disappointed with myself for being sucked in once again.
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Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. I make an over-generalization, it's "deflection and changing the argument". You rebut a point I don't make, it's no big deal. That's how you want this to go?
 
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Eric said:
Greetings. Eric here. Thought I'd say hey.



-Eric
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Lol

Hey eric, you should meet one brow, get to know him.
I hear he is delightful
 
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