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Pacers interest in Kessler- what do we want?

If you are the Pacers and land a top 4 pick that asset gets you more than Walker, but the Jazz can't bank on that at all. Wouldn't they just wait and try to work a sign and trade and see where the pick lands? I think so. They could trade a future pick or picks for Walker and just take the best player on the board. A two timeline type thing.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
If you are the Pacers and land a top 4 pick that asset gets you more than Walker, but the Jazz can't bank on that at all. Wouldn't they just wait and try to work a sign and trade and see where the pick lands? I think so. They could trade a future pick or picks for Walker and just take the best player on the board. A two timeline type thing.
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Who's actually available though? What could they actually get for #1 -#3? I guess Giannis would be the dream scenario? Outside of that I'm not sure who would be readily available and would fit a need as big as Walker does
 
KqWIN said:
I think Mathurin+Protected pick is where it gets interesting. The asking price from the Lakers was reported to be Reaves+2 picks, but this was before Reaves blew up. I think IND could create a similar level package with Mathurin and for all the Jazz stubborness I think they might accept something less than the proposed Laker package.

IDK....if you asked me about player on their own, I'd say that they could be moved because I don't think their team is super high on them. They could be traded for each other and figure out the difference with picks, whatever that is. I don't suppose Mathurin is considered a highly valued player on this forum, but if he was a Jazz player I think we'd be reacting to him like we are with Key right now.
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We were never getting Reaves imo.

Yeah I think it would be really dumb to trade for a healthy player the year you are supposed to be tanking.

This is an offseason deal imo for both teams when they know exactly what they are buying contractually. Would be shocked if something got done here.

With Walker I think the only teams that would do it would be LA so they can preserve cap space and have his rights... it would honestly be salvage value though... so like a first and a swap which is meh but better than him walking into a bottom feeder and getting a huge offer.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Who's actually available though? What could they actually get for #1 -#3? I guess Giannis would be the dream scenario? Outside of that I'm not sure who would be readily available and would fit a need as big as Walker does
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They would just take a guy and keep him. I don't think they have to have it fit their perfect timeline. Then go find a center or someone else with a pick. But yeah... that would be a guy that would be in play for an asset like that.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Protections would make it an obvious no for the Jazz. It's not a possible deal with protections. Jazz risking getting no pick then the Pacers being incredible the next season? That would be insane.

Obviously a deal probably won't happen, but there is a possibility if both sides really want it to happen.
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And that possibility to me is that the Jazz take the best first they can find for Walker and the Pacers one would be it (with protections). Maybe they could settle on top 3 but I am not sure Indiana is a lock to be amazing if Tyrese struggles in his first year back.

The bet is you land a mid lotto pick and if you lose the bet the pick is meh... but that's the bet.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
We were never getting Reaves imo.

Yeah I think it would be really dumb to trade for a healthy player the year you are supposed to be tanking.

This is an offseason deal imo for both teams when they know exactly what they are buying contractually. Would be shocked if something got done here.

With Walker I think the only teams that would do it would be LA so they can preserve cap space and have his rights... it would honestly be salvage value though... so like a first and a swap which is meh but better than him walking into a bottom feeder and getting a huge offer.
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If Nepo is serious about not caring about the pick.....I'm just saying a lot of things align in wrt "this could happen" even if it shouldn't happen.

I could see it happen in the off season as well, but it could be trickier due to BYC+Apron rules. IND could make it happen, but it becomes a bit of a mess. S&Ts are not easy.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Protections would make it an obvious no for the Jazz. It's not a possible deal with protections. Jazz risking getting no pick then the Pacers being incredible the next season? That would be insane.
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You are saying basically what I’m saying, except you think the Pacers are stupid.
 
KqWIN said:
If Nepo is serious about not caring about the pick.....I'm just saying a lot of things align in wrt "this could happen" even if it shouldn't happen.

I could see it happen in the off season as well, but it could be trickier due to BYC+Apron rules. IND could make it happen, but it becomes a bit of a mess. S&Ts are not easy.
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I keep applying my sensibilities to what should be done. We are likely to get Tony back on the pod in the next few weeks so will see if we can get some info.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I keep applying my sensibilities to what should be done. We are likely to get Tony back on the pod in the next few weeks so will see if we can get some info.
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If we're working under the assumptions that 1) we don't love Kessler and 2) we're not concerned about our own pick....I think it actually makes a lot of sense. You would also have to believe in Mathurin. He is balling out this year, but maybe not enough to crack the closing 5 lineup on IND because Nembard and Nesmith are rock solid. I think Mathurin is a reasonable and realistic target.

Don't love those assumptions though. I would just go after Mathurin in RFA instead if we love him.
 
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