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Sorry to speak unrelated to the topic but the article says Kurdistan Workers Party to open PKK which is true as a translation but in context they are not a political party or a leftist workers' party. They are a militia group. And they even do not allow their political wing in the Turkish parliament to democratically solve the Kurdish issue of Turkey because they know that this will leave PKK as an unnecessary cause and as militias that have spent their lives in fighting and know nothing else they will be left to void. They are a pretty good propaganda organisation in the Western society so I needed to step in and inform you guys.

I think peaceful Kurdish ppl being treated fairly and equally under Erdogan is even more unrealistic than a Basque country.

 

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I think peaceful Kurdish ppl being treated fairly and equally under Adolf Erdogan is even more unrealistic than a Basque country.

Agree with you on both posts.



But they were shoulder to shoulder in the early years of Erdoğan to demolish their common enemy, Atatürk and the founding values of Turkish Republic like laicism and nationalism.

 

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Agree with you on both posts.



But they were shoulder to shoulder in the early years of Erdoğan to demolish their common enemy, Atatürk and the founding values of Turkish Republic like laicism and nationalism.

Just to clarify: I'm neither supporting what either the PKK terrorists nor what the Basque ETA are doing. I just "understand" where they are coming from and why these extremists think they have to do it like that. When an ethnic/religious group is being discriminated like that, that's a hard pill to swallow.

 

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Just to clarify: I'm neither supporting what either the PKK terrorists nor what the Basque ETA are doing. I just "understand" where they are coming from and why these extremists think they have to do it like that. When an ethnic/religious group is being discriminated like that, that's a hard pill to swallow.

Absolutely. And that is exactly what Erdoğan and PKK are trying to do. Keep the fighting go on. That's what I have said in the upper post. The political wing of PKK started a campaign to become a Turkish Republic party and speak for everyone not only Kurds, but this made them become powerful with support from leftist Turks of the country and PKK said "Halt. This is too much power. If you succeed this way, I will be put back to shelf in a matter of moment" So they too benefit from the existence of the violent struggle. The sides who feast upon blood want bloodshed to go on. The rest wants it to stop.

If PKK closed down, I would vote for HDP their political wing since they would represent my leftist political views and there would be no more blood of my Turkish brothers left lying on the ground.

There is absolutely no reason for Kurds and Turks not to solve this peacefully but someone from inside of both sides tackles it at each dawn of a peaceful act.

 

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In general I think the key to "solving" a refugee crisis is creating/offering a perspective for the children of migrants. I feel like that's the best bet to prevent human beings becoming terrorists.
Over the last decades several studies have indicated that environment has a big influence on the development of kids. So the challenge for the people of a country is to create a safe and healthy environment. The task is offering long term perspectives, since usually ONE common goal of all parents regardless of religion etc etc is to provide their kids a good future. Seeing such a future creates motivation on parental side to "hustle", it helps kids realize a bigger portion of their potential.
Integration though is a two way street. And the biggest impact on the next generation are always the parents. So it's also important to conduct personality tests that help you determine how likely a person is willing to integrate. It starts with learning language, continues by encouraging their kids to make choices wherever possible and doesn't even end with refraining from conducting detrimental behavior in front of their kids.(Last week a 8-9 yr old kid, born in Germany with 2 parents with migration background told me "he was afraid that refugees would be placed in his class" and "The Syrians should fight for their country, not run away through my country(Turkey)" => That's a prime example of what I mean with parents influencing their kids)
But in the end weapon manufacturer are the ones with a powerful lobby.

 

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Just to clarify: I'm neither supporting what either the PKK terrorists nor what the Basque ETA are doing. I just "understand" where they are coming from and why these extremists think they have to do it like that. When an ethnic/religious group is being discriminated like that, that's a hard pill to swallow.

ETA are nothing but filthy criminals that don't represent how the majority of the Basque people feel. Also, they have pretty much been dissolved as an organization, they haven't done a thing (interesting enough) since the train bombings in Madrid. I have Basque friends and they all condemn ETA's murderous ways, they just think they would be better off by breaking away from the corrupt Spanish state.

The Basque country is one of the wealthiest regions in Spain where their income per capita is one of the highest, yet they have to 'donate' part of their wealth to more fiscally irresponsible regions in Spain. But by any means terrorist acts are 'understandable'.

 

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ETA are nothing but filthy criminals that don't represent how the majority of the Basque people feel. Also, they have pretty much been dissolved as an organization, they haven't done a thing (interesting enough) since the train bombings in Madrid. I have Basque friends and they all condemn ETA's murderous ways, they just think they would be better off by breaking away from the corrupt Spanish state.

The Basque country is one of the wealthiest regions in Spain where their income per capita is one of the highest, yet they have to 'donate' part of their wealth to more fiscally irresponsible regions in Spain. But by any means terrorist acts are 'understandable'.

i guess im wrong about that then, i always thought of basque as the spanish region that got very little support from the spanish government and thus yearning for separation.
I also think most Kurdish ppl dislike the terrorist acts of the PKK.

 

[Jamezz]

i guess im wrong about that then, i always thought of basque as the spanish region that got very little support from the spanish government and thus yearning for separation.
I also think most Kurdish ppl dislike the terrorist acts of the PKK.

You're good, I just wanted to point out that terrorism should be separated from political ambitions.

 

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So France has turned into a major player over this.

They are now sharing intel and bombing with Russia.

They are openly calling for EU members (they invoked an EU clause similar to Article 5 of the NATO charter) to join the fight and are now pushing for a joint Russian/American response.

Could this lead to a break in the damn and the world finally getting real and working together?

 

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So France has turned into a major player over this.

They are now sharing intel and bombing with Russia.

They are openly calling for EU members (they invoked an EU clause similar to Article 5 of the NATO charter) to join the fight and are now pushing for a joint Russian/American response.

Could this lead to a break in the damn and the world finally getting real and working together?

I doubt it the solution breaks down to bombing a few ISIS recruiting camps in Syria, it's far more complicated than that. First of all, who is ISIS getting money from to go through with their operations? I highly doubt they're a self funded organization...

 

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I doubt it the solution breaks down to bombing a few ISIS recruiting camps in Syria, it's far more complicated than that. First of all, who is ISIS getting money from to go through with their operations? I highly doubt they're a self funded organization...

I agree that far more than some bombings are needed. Far more.

But getting all the key people to the same table to actually hammer out a solution is critical.

Russia and France teaming up is a major step in that direction. If France and Russia can get more people to that table (like Iran, Syria, Britain and Belgium) then it starts to have added weight and pressures others like Saudi Arabia and America.

 

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So France has turned into a major player over this.

They are now sharing intel and bombing with Russia.

They are openly calling for EU members (they invoked an EU clause similar to Article 5 of the NATO charter) to join the fight and are now pushing for a joint Russian/American response.

Could this lead to a break in the damn and the world finally getting real and working together?

I'd be willing to bet a fortune there will be no German troops on foreign soil in an "aggressive" capacity.