Paris under attack

[carolinajazz]

Muslims believe that Jesus will return to lead God's armies against Satan's in the apocalypse.

Well, here's what the truth of the matter is....according to the Bible's Revelation account!

(Revelation 19:11-16) 11 I saw heaven opened, and look! a white horse. And the one seated on it is called Faithful and True, and he judges and carries on war in righteousness. 12 His eyes are a fiery flame, and on his head are many diadems. He has a name written that no one knows but he himself, 13 and he is clothed with an outer garment stained with blood, and he is called by the name The Word of God. 14 Also, the armies in heaven were following him on white horses, and they were clothed in white, clean, fine linen. 15 And out of his mouth protrudes a sharp, long sword with which to strike the nations, and he will shepherd them with a rod of iron. Moreover, he treads the wine press of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty. 16 On his outer garment, yes, on his thigh, he has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords.

So Jesus is pictured here with "fire in his eyes" and a "sword in his mouth" and he's about to "strike" dead the nations and squish them like grapes in a wine press!

Political rulers, especially those of Christendom, are more or less familiar with the Gospel accounts of the earthly life of Jesus Christ. Likely the most familiar mental picture that they have of him is that presented by many religious artists, that of a Jesus with drawn facial features beneath a crown of thorns, nailed hand and foot to a cross. Little, or, rather, not at all, do the political rulers of today count on having a confrontation with Jesus Christ as a mighty heavenly King all equipped to fight with his earthly enemies. To their utter amazement, it will be a transformed Messiah whom they will have to confront shortly.

The discrediting, maligning and misrepresenting of Jesus Christ in absentia has continued to this very day. But today, nineteen hundred years later, he is no longer a “baby Jesus” (bambino Gesù); he is no longer a ‘suffering Servant’ upon earth, nonresistant to his malicious enemies. He is now the elevated, exalted “Servant,” the accredited Messiah of God and designated King who will shortly take action to rid the earth of wickedness and those who cause it!

Very soon now, the politicians will actually see the exhibition of what their religious clergy have not recounted to them; they will be forced to turn their consideration to what they had not heard in warning from their highly respected religious leaders. As Isaiah 52:15 says: 32 “He will likewise startle many nations. At him kings will shut their mouth, because what had not been recounted to them they will actually see, and to what they had not heard they must turn their consideration.”

 

[Red]

...you got to be kidding, right? Russia hates the Muslim's guts! They got there butts whipped in that 10 year Afghan war back in the 80's that reduced there economy to a shambles! You don't think they're ever going to forget that, now do you? Do you think the USA is ever going to forget 9/11? Not happening! They may have forgotten about Pearl Harbor.....but not 9/11!

Well, look. They are more interested in attacking the rebel groups fighting Assad's forces then they are in fighting ISIS. So a person is somewhat justified in thinking "are the Russians backing ISIS?". It's not a crazy question at all. And although it was just a plot to get them out of their own hair, Russia did send fighters to join ISIS. See the link I left above. Russia is only interested in helping Russia.
Yes, they have bombed ISIS targets, but up to now, seems more for show then real determination to eliminate ISIS. But the West still needs their help in this fight. Any real coalition seems remote at the moment, unfortunately. But they were not above sending fighters to join ISIS when it suited them to do so.....

 

[Red]

Well, here's what the truth of the matter is....according to the Bible's Revelation account!

(Revelation 19:11-16) 11 I saw heaven opened, and look! a white horse. And the one seated on it is called Faithful and True, and he judges and carries on war in righteousness. 12 His eyes are a fiery flame, and on his head are many diadems. He has a name written that no one knows but he himself, 13 and he is clothed with an outer garment stained with blood, and he is called by the name The Word of God. 14 Also, the armies in heaven were following him on white horses, and they were clothed in white, clean, fine linen. 15 And out of his mouth protrudes a sharp, long sword with which to strike the nations, and he will shepherd them with a rod of iron. Moreover, he treads the wine press of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty. 16 On his outer garment, yes, on his thigh, he has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords.

So Jesus is pictured here with "fire in his eyes" and a "sword in his mouth" and he's about to "strike" dead the nations and squish them like grapes in a wine press!

Political rulers, especially those of Christendom, are more or less familiar with the Gospel accounts of the earthly life of Jesus Christ. Likely the most familiar mental picture that they have of him is that presented by many religious artists, that of a Jesus with drawn facial features beneath a crown of thorns, nailed hand and foot to a cross. Little, or, rather, not at all, do the political rulers of today count on having a confrontation with Jesus Christ as a mighty heavenly King all equipped to fight with his earthly enemies. To their utter amazement, it will be a transformed Messiah whom they will have to confront shortly.

The discrediting, maligning and misrepresenting of Jesus Christ in absentia has continued to this very day. But today, nineteen hundred years later, he is no longer a “baby Jesus” (bambino Gesù); he is no longer a ‘suffering Servant’ upon earth, nonresistant to his malicious enemies. He is now the elevated, exalted “Servant,” the accredited Messiah of God and designated King who will shortly take action to rid the earth of wickedness and those who cause it!

Very soon now, the politicians will actually see the exhibition of what their religious clergy have not recounted to them; they will be forced to turn their consideration to what they had not heard in warning from their highly respected religious leaders. As Isaiah 52:15 says: 32 “He will likewise startle many nations. At him kings will shut their mouth, because what had not been recounted to them they will actually see, and to what they had not heard they must turn their consideration.”

For the life of me, I never understood why so many people think The Book of Revelation applies to the present day and age. Apocalyptic literature was a common genre in the several centuries before and after the birth of Christ. Consider. Do you honestly believe the people living in say the second century AD were reading Revelations and worrying about the world 2000 years into the future? These types of writings were written for the people living then, not now. I'm not trying to pick on you here. You're entitled to any narrative of faith and history you want to subscribe to. But The Book of Revelation was one of about 30-40 such works circulating at the time. It certainly would have had no meaning whatsoever to people living at that time if everyone at that time said "this writing applies to what will be known as the 21st century." Of course not. It was written with those times in mind, not our times. That said, it is at least interesting to see both Christians and crazy-*** terrorists focused on "the end times."


https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/apocalypse/primary/white.html

 

[BTP]

I wonder if the timing of the terror attacks in France had something to do with their elections.

 

[babe]

alright kiddies.

America isn't America anymore, once again a de facto Brit colony. We are so stupid, and the Brits are just that smart. our CFR is literally a Brit psy-op for generating "grass-roots support" for their programs, albeit the American movers and shakers they consider the important "grass roots". The UN is the re-made Empire that the sun never sets on. We have corporate military industrialists all lined up together with other cartel-minded "international corporations" that are the modern equivalent of the 1770s British Far East Trading Co. that was the kingpin of the drug traffic then as well as the voice whispering in King George's ear the stupidity required to generate a war.

Russia and China know all about the real political structure of the world. They know their origins as puppets set up to play war around the world whenever 'Er Majesty The Queen needs to clip the competition for power.

When I studied my brothers official training manuals for chemical warfare. . . . going through his effects after he died. . . . clear aback in 1970 those manuals were discussing a major war in the Syria and Iraq. . . .

over the years, I've read just enough of the hawks' thinking. . . I know we are being set up for another war. Perhaps it is going to be another Viet Nam type "Bowery War" with the elites watching while partying from their little swank hot spots, knowing they actually run both sides, and they're earning good money on every bomb and every bullet used, I dunno.

This isn't necessarily Armageddon, yet.

I pretty much detest ignorant "Patriotism" and evil-minded simplistic hatreds of other peoples.

Here's a good military commentator I really like: Bryan Suites' "Dark Secret Place" aired on LA's KFI.

https://archive.org/details/BryanSuits_858

a class act. He understands the precept involved in knowing the other guy. makes stuff understandable to me.

 

[Jamezz]

^^
Repped

 

[carolinajazz]

For the life of me, I never understood why so many people think The Book of Revelation applies to the present day and age. Apocalyptic literature was a common genre in the several centuries before and after the birth of Christ. Consider. Do you honestly believe the people living in say the second century AD were reading Revelations and worrying about the world 2000 years into the future? These types of writings were written for the people living then, not now.

Apocalypse, or Revelation, is the name of the last book in the Bible, written toward the end of the first century C.E. In view of the prophetic nature and highly symbolic language of this book, the adjective “apocalyptic” came to be applied to a form of literature that began long before the Bible book of Revelation was written....as you correctly stated!

The mythological symbolism of this literature goes back to ancient Persia and even beyond. Hence, The Jewish Encyclopedia speaks of “the distinctly Babylonian character of most of the mythological elements incorporated in this [Jewish apocalyptic] literature.”

Jewish apocalyptic literature flourished from the start of the second century B.C.E. to the end of the second century C.E. Explaining the reason for these writings, one Bible scholar wrote: “The Jews divided all time into two ages. There was this present age, which is wholly bad .*.*. The Jews, therefore, waited for the end of things as they are. There was the age which is to come which was to be wholly good, the golden age of God in which would be peace, prosperity and righteousness .*.*. How was this present age to become the age which is to come? The Jews believed that the change could never be brought about by human agency and, therefore, looked for the direct intervention of God. .*.*. The day of the coming of God was called The Day of the Lord and was to be a terrible time of terror and destruction and judgment which would be the birth pangs of the new age. All apocalyptic literature deals with these events.”

The Bible book of Revelation speaks of “the war of the great day of God the Almighty,” or Armageddon, wherein the wicked will be destroyed, followed by a thousand-year period (sometimes called the Millennium) during which Satan will be abyssed and Christ will judge humankind. (Revelation 16:14, 16; 20:1-4)

Since it is an irrefutable historic fact that many, if not most, of the early Christians hoped in the Millennial Reign of Christ over a paradise earth, how did it occur that such “chiliastic views” were “eventually rejected”?

Augustine was undoubtedly the Church Father who did the most to fuse Greek philosophy with what was by his time only a semblance of Christianity. Initially an ardent advocate of millenarianism, he eventually rejected any idea of a future Millennial Reign of Christ over the earth. He gave Revelation chapter*20 an allegorical twist.

The Catholic Encyclopedia says: “Augustine finally held to the conviction that there will be no millennium. The first resurrection, of which this chapter treats, he tells us, refers to the spiritual rebirth in baptism; the sabbath of one thousand years after the six thousand years of history, is the whole of eternal life.” The New Encyclopædia Britannica states: “Augustine’s allegorical millennialism became the official doctrine of the church .*.*. The Protestant Reformers of the Lutheran, Calvinist, and Anglican traditions .*.*. remained firmly attached to the views of Augustine.” Thus, the members of Christendom’s churches were deprived of the millennial hope.

In his book Highlights of the Book of Revelation, Bible scholar George Beasley-Murray wrote: “Largely owing to the immense influence of Augustine on the one hand and the espousal of millenarianism by the sects on the other, Catholics and Protestants have united in rejecting it. When asked what alternative hope they have for man in this world the official answer is: None at all. The world will be destroyed at the advent of Christ to give place to an eternal heaven and hell in which history will be forgotten. .*.*. The church has lost its message of hope.”

As the Apocalypse quite clearly shows, the Creators purpose is to bring an end to the present wicked system! He will not bring in a righteous system of things without ridding the earth of those who are presently ruining it!

So the Revelation account DEFINITELY has it's fulfillment, not at the time of it's writing, but in our day and time, since back in the 1st Century no "ruining of the earth" was in progress or even possible!

(Revelation 11:17, 18) 17 saying: “We thank you, Jehovah God, the Almighty, the one who is and who was, because you have taken your great power and begun ruling as king. 18 But the nations became wrathful, and your own wrath came, and the appointed time came for the dead to be judged and to reward your slaves the prophets and the holy ones and those fearing your name, the small and the great, and to bring to ruin those ruining the earth.. . .

 

[Stoked]

Carolina, you going to start giving credit to whatever site you are lifting this from? Or are we going to continue acting like you write these posts?

 

[Red]

Apocalypse, or Revelation, is the name of the last book in the Bible, written toward the end of the first century C.E. In view of the prophetic nature and highly symbolic language of this book, the adjective “apocalyptic” came to be applied to a form of literature that began long before the Bible book of Revelation was written....as you correctly stated!

The mythological symbolism of this literature goes back to ancient Persia and even beyond. Hence, The Jewish Encyclopedia speaks of “the distinctly Babylonian character of most of the mythological elements incorporated in this [Jewish apocalyptic] literature.”

Jewish apocalyptic literature flourished from the start of the second century B.C.E. to the end of the second century C.E. Explaining the reason for these writings, one Bible scholar wrote: “The Jews divided all time into two ages. There was this present age, which is wholly bad .*.*. The Jews, therefore, waited for the end of things as they are. There was the age which is to come which was to be wholly good, the golden age of God in which would be peace, prosperity and righteousness .*.*. How was this present age to become the age which is to come? The Jews believed that the change could never be brought about by human agency and, therefore, looked for the direct intervention of God. .*.*. The day of the coming of God was called The Day of the Lord and was to be a terrible time of terror and destruction and judgment which would be the birth pangs of the new age. All apocalyptic literature deals with these events.”

The Bible book of Revelation speaks of “the war of the great day of God the Almighty,” or Armageddon, wherein the wicked will be destroyed, followed by a thousand-year period (sometimes called the Millennium) during which Satan will be abyssed and Christ will judge humankind. (Revelation 16:14, 16; 20:1-4)

Since it is an irrefutable historic fact that many, if not most, of the early Christians hoped in the Millennial Reign of Christ over a paradise earth, how did it occur that such “chiliastic views” were “eventually rejected”?

Augustine was undoubtedly the Church Father who did the most to fuse Greek philosophy with what was by his time only a semblance of Christianity. Initially an ardent advocate of millenarianism, he eventually rejected any idea of a future Millennial Reign of Christ over the earth. He gave Revelation chapter*20 an allegorical twist.

The Catholic Encyclopedia says: “Augustine finally held to the conviction that there will be no millennium. The first resurrection, of which this chapter treats, he tells us, refers to the spiritual rebirth in baptism; the sabbath of one thousand years after the six thousand years of history, is the whole of eternal life.” The New Encyclopædia Britannica states: “Augustine’s allegorical millennialism became the official doctrine of the church .*.*. The Protestant Reformers of the Lutheran, Calvinist, and Anglican traditions .*.*. remained firmly attached to the views of Augustine.” Thus, the members of Christendom’s churches were deprived of the millennial hope.

In his book Highlights of the Book of Revelation, Bible scholar George Beasley-Murray wrote: “Largely owing to the immense influence of Augustine on the one hand and the espousal of millenarianism by the sects on the other, Catholics and Protestants have united in rejecting it. When asked what alternative hope they have for man in this world the official answer is: None at all. The world will be destroyed at the advent of Christ to give place to an eternal heaven and hell in which history will be forgotten. .*.*. The church has lost its message of hope.”

As the Apocalypse quite clearly shows, the Creators purpose is to bring an end to the present wicked system! He will not bring in a righteous system of things without ridding the earth of those who are presently ruining it!

So the Revelation account DEFINITELY has it's fulfillment, not at the time of it's writing, but in our day and time, since back in the 1st Century no "ruining of the earth" was in progress or even possible!

(Revelation 11:17, 18) 17 saying: “We thank you, Jehovah God, the Almighty, the one who is and who was, because you have taken your great power and begun ruling as king. 18 But the nations became wrathful, and your own wrath came, and the appointed time came for the dead to be judged and to reward your slaves the prophets and the holy ones and those fearing your name, the small and the great, and to bring to ruin those ruining the earth.. . .

All you ever do is cherry pick. Troll the Internet looking for statements you agree with, and then post them under your own authority. Yet you lack all authority to speak at all. You offer only opinion, and steal other people's opinions to do even that much. You steal from others, fail completely to credit them, and you cherry pick your selections to boot. If you ever had to formulate a cogent argument yourself, you'd be in deep trouble. It would be a completely new experience for you to actually use your own mind to formulate a cogent argument. Too damn lazy to develop your own thoughts. No shame whatsoever in stealing the words of others. You are the very embodiment of close mindedness. What would you do if you actually had to debate these issues live, without recourse to cherry picking the Internet? Your replies are actually insulting, since the rest of us are willing to think for ourselves and offer honest opinion. You, on the other hand, have mastered copy and paste, and intellectual property theft. I can't respect that. It's an insult, and not worthy of any respect from me at all.

 

[carolinajazz]

All you ever do is cherry pick. You offer only opinion, and steal other people's opinions to do even that much.

"Cherry pick?" I thought you can only do that on the Basketball court! "You offer only opinion".....that's what all of us do here, no? And yes, if I agree with someones opinion/viewpoint I will share it with those who give theirs on this board!

You are the very embodiment of close mindedness.

"close mindedness?" I have an open mind and have made concessions on numerous occasions on this board! But this board is made up of opinions and viewpoints! And as such, they can be expressed emphatically and with emphasis.....and remember, there is no such thing as a wrong answer when asking or stating someones viewpoint!

What would you do if you actually had to debate these issues live.

I would use some notes....like everybody that debates does! Or maybe even a "teleprompter!"

You, on the other hand, have mastered copy and paste.

I love "copy and paste!" Saves me tons of time! Best thing someone ever showed me how to do on a computer!

By the way, you will notice in many of my response posts, that I do indicate where the information is coming from! (Encyclopedia, Time Magazine, etc.)