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Paul George or Gordon Hayward

Who Would You Rather Have on the Jazz

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Xsy said:
Hayward. I think George is a better individual player, but Hayward can make people around him better too.
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This is what I was thinking too. If anything, Gordon is a little bit too unselfish, if that's possible. When Al is gone (fingers crossed here), we'll need him to score more and I have no trouble thinking he will step up his offensive game.
 
@Blues Georger

Why are you expecting George to have done more than Gay at this point in his career, but Hayward can already be Ginobili 2.0 based on upside alone??
 
UGLI baby said:
@Blues George

Why are you expecting George to have done more than Gay at this point in his career, but Hayward can already be Ginobili 2.0 based on upside alone??
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You said Paul >>>>>>>> Gay. When obviously that isn't the case right now.


The main difference here, is that Paul is playing 37 minutes per game, whereas Hayward is coming for the bench for 27 in a highly-restricted Al-Jefferson offense. Conversely, Paul is coming in for an injured Danny Granger, while playing off of all the attention that David West seeks.

AKA Paul is in the perfect scenario, whereas Hayward really isn't. Hence, one will acclaim to his ceiling much quicker, whereas the other might be a year or two behind.

And if Hayward, in a much worse scenario is achieving similar pass numbers, and scoring per possession, whilst learning how to truly be effective at improving his teammates, and being a fiend on the break, quickly you realize that he really ISNT that far behind, despite being in a much worse context to succeed.




For what its worth, I don't know if Paul or Hayward will be better. I just am of the opinion that it is dumb to decide who was the better pick at this point in their careers. To me, Hayward has the higher ceiling. Just personal opinion.

-George
 
I don't know who's the best player but Paul George has felt like the next Danny Granger/Rudy Gay/Iggy/Monta/Joe Johnson/Kevin Martin to me. JF loves these players up to the point they suddenly hate them for being way overpaid & shooting bad percentages. I'll take Hayward's upcoming extension over the most likely way overpriced, cap killing Paul George extension.


Most must have JF players end up so-so to flops (i.e. Kendrick Perkins). We've basically doomed Eric Gordon to a nice contract that he way under-performs. I feel bad for the kid...
 
George said:
You said Paul >>>>>>>> Gay. When obviously that isn't the case right now.


The main difference here, is that Paul is playing 37 minutes per game, whereas Hayward is coming for the bench for 27 in a highly-restricted Al-Jefferson offense. Conversely, Paul is coming in for an injured Danny Granger, while playing off of all the attention that David West seeks.

AKA Paul is in the perfect scenario, whereas Hayward really isn't. Hence, one will acclaim to his ceiling much quicker, whereas the other might be a year or two behind.

And if Hayward, in a much worse scenario is achieving similar pass numbers, and scoring per possession, whilst learning how to truly be effective at improving his teammates, and being a fiend on the break, quickly you realize that he really ISNT that far behind, despite being in a much worse context to succeed.




For what its worth, I don't know if Paul or Hayward will be better. I just am of the opinion that it is dumb to decide who was the better pick at this point in their careers. To me, Hayward has the higher ceiling. Just personal opinion.

-George
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I know you're new to jazzfanz, but we ain't "deciding" ****. We're just debating and right now its hard to debate Haywrd is better or has more upside than P George.
 
UGLI baby said:
I know you're new to jazzfanz, but we ain't "deciding" ****. We're just debating and right now its hard to debate Haywrd is better or has more upside than P George.
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George > UGLI. Who's next.
 
Ask this question other 29 NBA teams fans it is not even close. Jazz fans tend to overrate their players like no other. I just can't figure out why that does not apply to big AL?
 
Hayward hasn't gotten the keys yet!!

George stepped in and took Grangers #'s in a system that was centered around Granger!!
 
AKMVP said:
Ask this question other 29 NBA teams fans it is not even close. Jazz fans tend to overrate their players like no other. I just can't figure out why that does not apply to big AL?
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Or that AK guy? Man, he was an MVP once.
 
AKMVP said:
Ask this question other 29 NBA teams fans it is not even close. Jazz fans tend to overrate their players like no other. I just can't figure out why that does not apply to big AL?
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Don't worry though. Instead I'll ask myself why KOC didn't draft Patterson, Jordan Crawford, or Ed Davis instead.
 
UGLI baby said:
Let me reiterate I love Hayward and im glad we have him, but the idea that George is somehow at his ceiling and Hayward has limitless potential is tarded.

George's ceiling is waaaaay higher than Hayward's and I think George is just scratching the surface of what he can be.

I think Hayward will just become more consistent as he ages, but will basically be what he is now, which is great if Hea your 3rd or 4th best player on your team.
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This.

Listen, with Granger injured (and not having played a game), George was basically given the keys to the team. We can argue who's the better player and more important to his team, George or West, but there was a ton of pressure on George to carry them and he's responded by carrying Indy to the #3 seed, just three games out of the #1 seed. They've beaten Miami a couple of times this year and all of this is with what's pretty much an average supporting cast.

Give those same keys to Hayward and Indy would be fighting for the 8th seed in the East.

I love Hayward but George is clearly the superior player.
 
Gyp Rosetti said:
This.

Listen, with Granger injured (and not having played a game), George was basically given the keys to the team. We can argue who's the better player and more important to his team, George or West, but there was a ton of pressure on George to carry them and he's responded by carrying Indy to the #3 seed, just three games out of the #1 seed. They've beaten Miami a couple of times this year and all of this is with what's pretty much an average supporting cast.

Give those same keys to Hayward and Indy would be fighting for the 8th seed in the East.

I love Hayward but George is clearly the superior player.
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Average supporting cast??

Hill/Stephenson/Paul/West/Hibbert aint average. In fact, that is one of the most well-rounded lineups in the NBA. Great passing from 1-5, passable offensive focal-point in West, and absolutely bonkers defense.


I don't see how Hayward would result in a defensive drop, and drop in assists, or 4 points in scoring if he was given 10 more. The only thing that Paul has on him is defense (not by much) and rebounding. Not sure how a couple rebounds result in a 5 seed drop but hey-- ladies and gentlemen, Gypley ManKiller.
 
George said:
I don't see how Hayward would result in a defensive drop, and drop in assists, or 4 points in scoring if he was given 10 more. .
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The opposition has something to do with it? George is starter and plays mostly vs starting units. Hayward on the other hand is feasting on subs. Switch their roles and gap will be even bigger.
 
AKMVP said:
The opposition has something to do with it? George is starter and plays mostly vs starting units. Hayward on the other hand is feasting on subs. Switch their roles and gap will be even bigger.
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Definitely a huge gap. Not to mention his 58 games as a starter last season.


Keep failing. Someone please call OnlyPostsBiffs.
 
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