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Penn State Pedophile Controversy

Imagine a shaken McQuery contacting Paterno and meeting at his house for several hours, only to say that Sandusky may or may not have horsed around with someone in the showers that may or may not have been a child.

Give. Me. A. ****ing. Break.

A little lost in all of this is what an absolutely spineless and pathetic worm McQuery is. And that there should be (or justifiably is) outrage that he's being ALLOWED to stay on the team, whether he takes up the offer or not.
 
geez, I have so many thoughts on this...

one thing though, for those who are saying McQuery (in 2002, when he witnessed the shower incident) should've rushed in and and done something to stop it, especially those of you saying if it were you, you would've "gone ballistic" on Sandusky - - hopefully none of us will ever be in a situation where we witness something like that - - but keep in mind that the child is already being traumatized and victimized by the adult abuser, and doesn't need some other adult coming in and traumatizing him further. Much better to try and keep a cool head, than react in a way that might aggravate the situation for the child.

That's not to say that one shouldn't intervene in a situation like that, but just do your best to stay calm and intervene in a way that does not add to the stress of the situation for the child.


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In reading the transcripts, there are 8 victims listed, plus a couple additional children are mentioned who are not listed as victims, but were friends who were present when some of the incidents took place. Of the 8, 6 were actually interviewed by the Grand Jury and 2 were not. The victim in this particular case (#2) was not interviewed, he's listed as a victim based on witness testimony, as is victim #8. Of the 6 that were interviewed, I think there are 2 that describe behavior that is definitely sexual in nature. The contact that three or four of them describe is definitely inappropriate when taken in aggregate - a lot of tickling, hugging (while clothed), "back-cracking", showering together with some contact, stuff like that - but I'm not sure it would fit the legal definition of sexual abuse, particularly if it's looked at in isolation. That was the case for victim #6, the one that was reported to authorities and investigated in 1998.

One of the things we've talked about here at home is that from reading the transcript, some of the kids in the Second Mile program seemed to know a little bit about Sandusky's reputation. In addition to the victims that were specifically listed, other children in the program are mentioned as having been friends of the victims and aware of some of Sandusky's behavior. Kids talk, and adults generally overhear what they're talking about, and it seemed strange to me and my family that more red-flags weren't raised earlier on, among the adults who were working in the program.

But something that I think may have helped isolate Sandusky from some of the suspicions that folks may have had about his behavior early on is the fact that he was so involved with children for so long. According to wikipedia, he has 6 adopted children, plus he and his wife took in foster kids as well. So he would've always had kids around him. Nobody would've thought it that weird that these boys from the Second Mile program were spending time at his house or coming along on trips.

At any rate, there definitely was a massive cover-up of this at Penn State, and hopefully everyone will learn something from this.

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on a related note, the now-fired Penn State University President, Graham Spanier, is from the Chicago area and was listed as a "Distinguished Alumni" at his high school. That high school has now removed his plaque from the "wall of honor" or whatever they call it, and removed his name from the list on their website.
 
moevillini said:
geez, I have so many thoughts on this...

one thing though, for those who are saying McQuery (in 2002, when he witnessed the shower incident) should've rushed in and and done something to stop it, especially those of you saying if it were you, you would've "gone ballistic" on Sandusky - - hopefully none of us will ever be in a situation where we witness something like that - - but keep in mind that the child is already being traumatized and victimized by the adult abuser, and doesn't need some other adult coming in and traumatizing him further. Much better to try and keep a cool head, than react in a way that might aggravate the situation for the child.

That's not to say that one shouldn't intervene in a situation like that, but just do your best to stay calm and intervene in a way that does not add to the stress of the situation for the child.
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IMO, the situation needed to be stopped immediately, by any means necessary. I personally like to think that I would have tried to just tell the son of a bitch to leave the shower and if that didn't work, escalate from there.
And I agree with you moe, i sincerely hope that none of us are ever in this type of situation.
 
NUMBERICA said:
A little lost in all of this is what an absolutely spineless and pathetic worm McQuery is. And that there should be (or justifiably is) outrage that he's being ALLOWED to stay on the team, whether he takes up the offer or not.
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I can't get inside this kids head and I'm certain I would have acted differently; but for the purposes of context, the more I read about this story the more I think about the basketball scandal at Baylor University about 10 years ago.

Two players on the team with bad blood between them got in a fight and one shot the other (Christopher Dennehy I think was his name). This uncovered a whole bunch of **** going on with the team all under the nose of Dave Bliss - who was supposed to be one of the good guys. Bliss tried to cover his *** and protect his own by making up stories about Dennehy being a drug dealer and an instigator in the incident when that clearly wasn't the case. One his assistants, who was threatened with being fired if he didn't go along with Bliss, wore a wire and turned Bliss in which cost Bliss his job and his reputation. The assistant coach did all the right things and for his efforts he's been black-balled in the college basketball community and hasn't worked in years.

Big time college sports programs are like the mafia - instead of the FBI after them it's the NCAA. It's a closed community and ratting out someone is an automatic death sentence. This idiot couldn't see the forest through the trees because he lives in that world. He probably had dreams of moving up the ladder and some day being an OC, DC or even a head coach. And if the higher ups weren't going to blow the whistle on this creep why should he? Sick, I know.
 
TroutBum said:
I just read the transcript. Wow. I'm reminded of the time I accidentally walked in on my cousin jerkin' off; there are things in this life that you just can't un-see, that, and that transcript are two of 'em.
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Eric? hahahaha!
 
just read that the president of the Second Mile charity has stepped down - - 28 years on the job

https://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11318/1189875-100-0.stm

The president and CEO of the charity founded by accused child molester and former Penn State University assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky has resigned.

The Second Mile, a State College-based nonprofit that works with troubled children, announced the resignation of its top official, Jack Raykovitz, this morning. He had headed the organization for 28 years.

A grand jury accused Mr. Sandusky of sexually abusing at least eight boys across 15 years, all of whom he met through The Second Mile

"Although the allegations against Jerry Sandusky and the alleged incidents occurred outside Second Mile programs and events, this does not change the fact that the alleged sexual abuse involved Second Mile program children, nor does it lessen the terrible impact of sexual abuse on its victims," the organization said in a statement.

David Woodle, vice chairman of the agency's board, will be responsible for day-to-day operations, the agency said.

Mr. Raykovitz testified before a grand jury that he had knowledge of allegations against Mr. Sandusky going back to 2002, according to a statement released by The Second Mile two days after Mr. Sandusky, a former Penn State assistant football coach, was charged with 40 counts of abusing children.

In its statement, the agency said Mr. Raykovitz testified that he had been told by Penn State athletic director Tim Curley that an internal investigation had found no corroboration for an allegation of inappropriate contact by Mr. Sandusky with a child in the shower of a university athletics building.

It wasn't until November 2008 that The Second Mile took steps to keep Mr. Sandusky away from children.

It was then, according to the organization's statement, that "Mr. Sandusky informed The Second Mile that he had learned he was being investigated as a result of allegations made against him by an adolescent male in Clinton County, Pa. Although he maintained there was no truth to the claims, we are an organization committed first and foremost to the safety and well-being of the children we serve."

Read more: https://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11318/1189875-100-0.stm#ixzz1dhX53G00
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so they knew about the 2002 allegations, but did nothing. and I'm pretty sure from the transcript that they were informed about the 1998 situation (victim #6 I believe, the one who's mother went to the authorities and initiated an investigation) - - but this group, whose mission is to improve the lives of children, took no action for over 10 years...

cover up
cover up
cover up


I just feel like it has to go further than what we know
 
NUMBERICA said:
I take it you didn't read the report then. McQuery said in no uncertain terms that Sandusky was raping a child in the shower. A head coach of a powerhouse program can't really have the mental incapacity to not remember that and I believe he knew but was more interested in deluding himself and protecting the program. There is danger in loyalty.
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Unfortunately I did read all 23 pages of the GJ report. There is no mention that McQueary told Joe he witnessed a rape, and last Sunday Paterno released a statement claiming he was not told the incident was criminal. There is cleary no mention that Joe attempted to follow-up, but there is also no mention that he did not attempt to. It should also be noted that Paterno was not charged with perjury, that the grand jury credited Paterno with credible testimony and last Thursday the attorney general still labled him as a credible witness.

I am extremely disappointed in how Paterno handled the situation - and he clearly should no longer be permitted to coach at Penn State. If your theories are correct then I will be right next to you in condemming him for his role in a cover-up, but there are still many blanks left in the report, many questions still unanswered and until they are the rest is speculation and uninformed conjecture.

I also fully agree with those who claim McQueary should be held even more to blame - and initially I was adamant that he should have be fired immediately. I still wish he would be - but the word is McQueary's job is legally protected due to whistleblower laws.
 
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