People have lost their damn minds

[billyshelby]

Set fire to you.

And I'm on your team. I get the diversionary argument that Mike Vick might have been unfairly sentenced as a first time offender in an intrastate gambling racket. But it's hard to separate the underlying circumstances of that racket. I'm lost to understand how torturing and killing animals should result in parking tickets or minor jail sentences. As I remember it, dogs were hanged, drowned, shot, and electrocuted. And that's when they weren't fighting to the death. Where does the sympathy come in for that?

 

[honz]

well your tax dollars pay for it

How so? Also, since when did something become right simply because they use our tax dollars for it?

 

[One Brow]

oh please...

i do (well i have the tech do) worse things than that to animals every single week.

god help me if these animal rights extremists ever come to power

Funny, I read the exact opposite on Respectful Insolence. Outside of what needs to be done for testing, the treatment of lab animals needs to mmet certain standards. I'm pretty sure your techs aren't instructed to have the animals attack each other for up to a couple of hours at a time.

 

[TheItinerantSon]

the animal rights people call what we do 'vivisection'. And in california they protest and bomb and try to physically intimidate researchers with things like this.

i will admit that the animals are definitely scared and feel pain because of our procedures

some of the labs even use dogs or primates...

so i really fail to see any difference between what we do, and what vick did, and what your average farm does.

the animal rights groups use cases like vick to consolidate the public opinion and push the consensus further and further towards animal rights.

I've lived in towns where its now illegal to own an outdoor dog...(as if air-conditioned houses are the natural environment of dogs). People buy pet insurance and have surgeries done for their family pets (that's their right...but it seems to be horribly wasteful to me).

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but im not even complaining about the jail time...i'm over that and he seems to be a more mature person for it (not that thats the govts job...making people more mature).

I'm astonished that teh govt would confiscate 1 million of his dollars and use them not for poverty relief or education or anything that benefitted humans, but instead for the rehabilitation of some damn dogs

 

[TheItinerantSon]

these people https://negotiationisover.com/tag/holocaust/

have animal researchers right next to mink farmers and dog fighters....all of whom are supposedly perpetrators of a great holocaust.

 

[Chad Feldheimer]

That has always been my biggest complaint/misunderstanding of the justice system, the prison terms and sentences handed out.

 

[One Brow]

the animal rights people call what we do 'vivisection'. And in california they protest and bomb and try to physically intimidate researchers with things like this.

I disagree strongly with the extreme animal rights organizations on many things.

i will admit that the animals are definitely scared and feel pain because of our procedures

some of the labs even use dogs or primates...

so i really fail to see any difference between what we do, and what vick did, and what your average farm does.

Unless I have misunderstood, in your lab you attempt to minimize pain and fear because that makes animals harder to work with. I've heard farmers talk about the importance of keeping their animals comfortable (and in the case of pigs, intellectually occupied). By contrast, dog fighter deliberately raise their dogs to be angry and fearful, and to inflict and endure pain. I see a difference, and I'm not sure why you don't.

I'm astonished that teh govt would confiscate 1 million of his dollars and use them not for poverty relief or education or anything that benefitted humans, but instead for the rehabilitation of some damn dogs

I agree.

 

[moevillini]

https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=dw-vickdogs092110

So according to this article vick was forced to spend a court mandated one million dollars on rehab for the dogs on his property.

They could have literally put 25 kids through college, but instead they decided to put 50 dogs through therapy.

I agree that it does seem an unfortunate waste of resources - particularly when there are plenty of animal care groups who do fundraising to support these types of efforts.


As far as animals used in research, from those I know who've had experience with this sort of thing, it seems it's very tightly controlled - almost to the point of requiring informed consent, LOL!

(ok, just kidding, but some of the restrictions and paperwork that's involved make it seem like the lab rats get a higher standard of care than the people)

 

[moevillini]

on a side note, has anybody noticed the influx of "Doggie Day Care" and "Doggie Day Spas" that seem to be sprouting up everywhere?




(edit: this is my 987th post btw, I'm making note of that - - just 13 posts shy of 1000!)

 

[Archie Moses]

on a side note, has anybody noticed the influx of "Doggie Day Care" and "Doggie Day Spas" that seem to be sprouting up everywhere?




(edit: this is my 987th post btw, I'm making note of that - - just 13 posts shy of 1000!)

Crap like that is the new "green".

 

[Beantown]

Hurting any living thing for pure enjoyment is a sign of some serious mental issues.

 

[billyshelby]

Lumping in other issues and the seeming hypocrisies only distracts from the argument. Animal cruelty, the malicious mistreatment of animals by individuals is one issue. It should be dealt with on its own. Animal cruelty as it pertains to scientific testing/controversial industries is another issue. Animal cruelty as it pertains to the humane raising of livestock is yet another.

Trying to fight them all at once, or combining them into one argument, isn't very logical or constructive. There are cases, however questionable, for other types of 'cruelty,' but there is no case for savagely killing animals out of indifference or amusement. Which is why the defense always says, "Well, what about livestock, what about fur coats, what about primate testing, what about prison sentences out of whack, etc..."