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Perhaps this is the defining moment for Hayward

JazzTalk said:
Was he that type of leader with Bulter? I am sincerely asking cause I don't know.
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Not that I know of.

And more importantly, he hasn't been a leader in any sense in his time in Utah. Giving max money to a player you "hope" can "develop" into a leader isn't recommended IMO.
 
The Thriller said:
Not that I know of.

And more importantly, he hasn't been a leader in any sense in his time in Utah. Giving max money to a player you "hope" can "develop" into a leader isn't recommended IMO.
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Do the Jazz "hope" he can "develop" into a leader?
Does he need to?

Maybe all they expect is a guy who can run the floor, make plays and average around 18/5/5. And they didn't give him max money; they matched an offer. I don;t care if Hayward is out there getting in the face of opponents and his teammates. If he can be the player he was a couple of years ago (45%/40%), that's all the Jazz need. Is that "worth" his contract? No. But to let him walk for nothing is the way of the Clippers when they were the joke of the league. He's around for 3 years, maybe 4; Jazz have plenty of room under the luxury tax. And with the cap increasing, he has a tradeable contract if it comes to that.
 
My2Cents said:
He isn't worth max money regardless, but I don't really know if he's a leader. I think you'd have to spend time around the team to know that. He's clearly not a vocal leader, but there are other ways to lead. I expect him to help establish and perpetuate standards of professional conduct and work ethic. I expect max money effort every night. I want his play to motivate the other guys on the floor to play harder. Effort is contagious. Maybe that's leading by example, but I think he can contribute to leadership without being vocal.
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This is quite hilarious...what exactly is Hayward's work ethic? If he truly is busting his butt in practice and/or in the offseason, why is it that we don't see any tangible improvements in his game? After 4 seasons in the league, he is bascially the same player he was as a rookie. Do players with a strong work ethic remain stagnant during their first several seasons in the league? Honest question.
 
Here's my take. If Hayward needs this to motivate him after the ****show of a season he had last year, I pray DL trades him come December to any team with lots of money clamoring for him. Which is nobody but a man can wish, can't he?

IMO, he stunk it up last year and was still invited to tryout for FIBA which means he probably thinks he's much better than he actually is and that it was all Ty's fault and the players around him and so, he won't do everything in his power this off-season to take his game to a level it's never been, which means we'll just have the same 3rd/4th option type guy on our team for four more years.
 
akirac73 said:
This is quite hilarious...what exactly is Hayward's work ethic? If he truly is busting his butt in practice and/or in the offseason, why is it that we don't see any tangible improvements in his game? After 4 seasons in the league, he is bascially the same player he was as a rookie. Do players with a strong work ethic remain stagnant during their first several seasons in the league? Honest question.
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Might be an honest question, but it's a stupid one.

Hayward has shown to be a hard worker. His body has obviously developed and he has gotten much better since his rookie year. He has improved every year, you are dumb if you can't see it. Sorry, honest assessment on your intelligence.

You're right though, that guy who was barely even recruited out of HS and became a lottery pick in 2 years of college has no work ethic.
 
QuinSnydersHair said:
Here's my take. If Hayward needs this to motivate him after the ****show of a season he had last year, I pray DL trades him come December to any team with lots of money clamoring for him. Which is nobody but a man can wish, can't he?

IMO, he stunk it up last year and was still invited to tryout for FIBA which means he probably thinks he's much better than he actually is and that it was all Ty's fault and the players around him and so, he won't do everything in his power this off-season to take his game to a level it's never been, which means we'll just have the same 3rd/4th option type guy on our team for four more years.
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What?
 
akirac73 said:
This is quite hilarious...what exactly is Hayward's work ethic? If he truly is busting his butt in practice and/or in the offseason, why is it that we don't see any tangible improvements in his game? After 4 seasons in the league, he is bascially the same player he was as a rookie. Do players with a strong work ethic remain stagnant during their first several seasons in the league? Honest question.
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Reading is fundamental. I didn't say he had strong work ethic. I said it is what I expect from him as a max player. I don't spend time around him. i don't know any more about his work ethic than you do. In any case, except for shooting he has improved in every statistical category since his rookie year, including rebounds, assists, and steals. That suggests a strong work ethic to me so I'm not really sure what you're talking about.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Might be an honest question, but it's a stupid one.

Hayward has shown to be a hard worker. His body has obviously developed and he has gotten much better since his rookie year. He has improved every year, you are dumb if you can't see it. Sorry, honest assessment on your intelligence.

You're right though, that guy who was barely even recruited out of HS and became a lottery pick in 2 years of college has no work ethic.
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Last year was NOT an improvement for Hayward over the preceding year. His FG% has dropped every year he's been in the league. Sounds a lot like another guy who used to play for the Jazz.
 
gregbroncs said:
Last year was NOT an improvement for Hayward over the preceding year. His FG% has dropped every year he's been in the league. Sounds a lot like another guy who used to play for the Jazz.
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His role changed and the team got worse. He isn't suppose to be a 1st option. Yes, his shooting got worse, but he got better at everything else. He was definitely better than the previous year.
 
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