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Planned Parenthood Selling Baby Organs

DutchJazzer said:
and broncster says pp isnt breaking any laws. because he deems them above the law
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Your argument is getting weaker. My argument is that there is 0 proof PP broke a law. No one here has shown any facts of them breaking a law and no one else. A republican group who wants to shut them down did an investigation and came up with no proof they broke a law. I do not deem them above the law, if they broke a law they should be punished for breaking that law, but they didnt. Sorry you cant accept the truth and need to come up with crazy conspiracy's for your argument I know you really wanted this to be true.

If you are oppose to abortion, try to change the laws. Running a smear campaign for made up illegal actions against an organization that does great things in their communities and 97% of what they do has nothing to do with abortion is a bad way to get the change you want. Hurting PP will not change the laws.
 
babe said:
Sorry, must have a bot on this line.
PP does cut up babes, keeping them alive to the moment of harvest, and they do sell the parts for profit.
Oh, ya, and they try to deny it.
And they are politically protected, and few judges would want to rule against them, and an American jury would nullify the laws at trial, if the Supreme Court doesn't just declare the laws void first.
Al lot people will see it as you do.
ZPG, bro, ZPG.
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Lol, are you sure you and dutchy arent the same person. You write the same, sound the same and subscribe to the same conspiracy magazine.

You said you would provide all the laws and all the video evidence of this but I dont see it yet.
 
Broncster said:
Sorry you only want to see one side. Science does not agree on when life begins ill quote this again because I like it.
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So what are the arguments given by science about conception not being the start of life. It seems to me that as soon as that cell divides it is now a living organism, growing unless that growth is interrupted. Hard to argue that without interruption it would keep growing no matter how hard we wish it to stop, unless we intervene and stop it from growing. To me that means it is alive. bacteria grow and divide unless their growth is interrupted and it is widely agreed that bacteria are life forms. How is a 4 cell embryo that then divides into 8 cells any less "life" than a bacteria?

There is also this:

The 4-cell embryo is the result of a second cleavage event, and occurs at approximately 40 hours after fertilization. The individual cells are called blastomeres. At this stage, the process of embryonic genome activation is initiated in human embryos, and lasts until the 8-cell stage. The resulting morula stage marks the first morphological indication of a break in radial symmetry.
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https://discovery.lifemapsc.com/in-vivo-development/zygote/zygote/4-cell-embryo

Genome activated. Seems to be alive to me. We don't have to activate the genome for it, and it activates unless it is interrupted. Non-biological processes don't work like this, and neither do non-living biological processes.

Seriously most arguments I see for claiming that an embryo isn't life comes from pro-choicers. Your own quote showed OBVIOUS biases:

there is no one point where life begins. Instead, the beginning of life is a continuous process. It may have a start where there is "no life" and an end where there "is life," but there isn't a clearly defined boundary. This can be a problem for people who want their world to be black and white and their morals to be absolute,
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I don't remember the part where science is concerned with morals. Also, it seems to me there would be truly a black and white dividing line between life and non-life. There is a pretty clear one between life and death on the other end. To me that line gets blurred when it is convenient to blur it, and there is no blurring of when actual autonomous biological activity starts. So I would be interested to see the scientific evidence that "life" is variable in terms of an embyo.
 
moevillini said:
What is the most bothersome to me in this thread (and others like it) is that almost nobody even tries to respond to the serious questions that are raised.

A couple of you did try to answer and I appreciate your efforts.

But it makes me think the rest of you are brainless.

I'm not sure if that makes you human or not.

Or at least you don't want to think about the full issue from all sides.
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Nah, Moe, you're smarter than that. I mean, try and be as objective as possible. This is clearly a very polarized topic and there are going to be perspectives that will never align with each other. Doesn't mean that one side is brainless or is dodging questions. More than likely they think the other perspective is brainless and those questions aren't worth answering because of whatever other reason.
 
Archie Moses said:
Anyone know of some sources, besides PP, that prove those videos are fake?
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The vidoes are not fake. They are edited but the full versions have been released. As far as the accusations of anything illegal I have linked a few times to the investigation that was done by the state of Indiana that proved nothing illegal is being done.
 
Broncster said:
The vidoes are not fake. They are edited but the full versions have been released. As far as the accusations of anything illegal I have linked a few times to the investigation that was done by the state of Indiana that proved nothing illegal is being done.
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Gotcha. I'll find the links and read them. Thanks and repped.
 
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