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Howard said:
I don't exactly agree with you. There are several organizations in my area that offer pretty much exactly what PP does, except abortion, and they're sponsored heavily by local churches. Churches full of white, conservative people. I think you're exaggerating just a touch here.
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Oh, so you live in an urban, poor, minority enclave?

Who would have guessed it?
 
moevillini said:
Or to put it another way, a zygote may be a human life, but is it a living human?
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Sperm is alive too.
Lots of them perish in tissue, garbages, socks, toilets, etc

Very tragic
 
jimmy eat jazz said:
Oh, so you live in an urban, poor, minority enclave?

Who would have guessed it?
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You didn't want to keep it fairly civil? No need to get sassy, sir.

I'm not saying there dont need to be improvements, but I believe that there would be if we changed something, and that we need changes. Sorry for pointing out an actual example that was contradictory to your statement.
 
Howard said:
You didn't want to keep it fairly civil? No need to get sassy, sir.

I'm not saying there dont need to be improvements, but I believe that there would be if we changed something, and that we need changes. Sorry for pointing out an actual example that was contradictory to your statement.
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I apologize if I came off as uncivil. I prefer to remain civil with you.

My point is that the experience you describe is a very limiting one, there's a whole world of alternative experiences out there, and one includes poor people, often minority, and others, who for a variety of reasons, DO NOT enjoy good access to basic female reproductive services. I'm guessing, but fairly certain, that a large share of unwanted pregnancies and abortions performed are found among this group.

Your statement doesn't contradict anything I said or believe. I assume that middle and upper class persons, or those living in middle or upper class environmenments, have rather good access to reproductive services. I aslo assume that there are indeed a number of lower income persons who benefit from the type of services you describe. I have never, ever doubted this, nor said anything to suggest I did. My frame of reference here is entirely the rather substantial number of persons who lack access to such services (often poor and/or minority), or who receive them from PP or like-minded organizations. IF we were to force PP and such like-minded organizations out of business, then large numbers of women would lose access to reproductive services, including importantly family planning, and thus the number of abortions would go up.

Going back to my original point, this to me shows the irrationality of the conservative position. They'd cut off their nose to spite their face. The end goal is to reduce abortions, and PP plays a large role in doing this. But they hate PP so much also, that they'd kill PP, even it if meant (and it likely does) that the result would be more abortions. And honestly, even if they realized this, or cared to think about it, that they'd still kill PP if they could, so irrational is their hatred.
 
JEJ, I believe that if we eliminated PP we could still have programs that do what they do with the exception of abortion. It's a pretty big business, sonebody would step in. But I do agree that eliminating PP and having nothing to replace them would only add more problems. I just want the abortions to go away, that's all.
 
Howard said:
JEJ, I believe that if we eliminated PP we could still have programs that do what they do with the exception of abortion. It's a pretty big business, sonebody would step in. But I do agree that eliminating PP and having nothing to replace them would only add more problems. I just want the abortions to go away, that's all.
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i would also like to see abortions go away.

I'm just not comfortable imposing myself and the coercive power of the state in women's reproductive choices and pre-empting their most basic of freedoms to make choices about their own bodies, particularly related to such personal and intimate matters.
 
jimmy eat jazz said:
i would also like to see abortions go away.

I'm just not comfortable imposing myself and the coercive power of the state in women's reproductive choices and pre-empting their most basic of freedoms to make choices about their own bodies, particularly related to such personal and intimate matters.
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I'm not comfortable imposing murder on living humans because of "choice". I thought Ben Carson put it rather well, "The mother is the protector of that baby and we've distorted things to the point where people believe that if the mother can't kill the baby, then anybody who is advocating that is an enemy of women. How can we be so foolish to believe such a thing?"
 
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