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A couple of things, Corbin used to be a guy talking to the players away from the huddle and what not like some described but now that he is the HC he cannot just do that he has other things now but I still see him occasionally talking to a player or 2 during the game.

For a team to reflect their coach topic, nobody mentioned that the star player for the team has to buy in and preach the same. Example Duncan reflects and plays exactly what Pop is preaching same goes for Kobe and even Stock & Malone all bought in and reflected/played the way the coach did so the team follows. Currently the Jazz don't have that star player and Corbin is still probably learning his way a bit as any new HC likely would.

I forget my last point and others have already touched on some other points anyway but lastly wanted to add I've had my complaints and issues with Corbin during games as well but then we all complained about certain things Sloan did as well such is the life of a fan. So with that said I think it is better for Corbin to get some mistakes out of the way this season when the season is and was a mess before he even started so when the games and seasons really start to matter he'll have that to build on.
 
I think the Jazz played their best lineup matching up against the Lakers. I wouldn't blame injuries for the loss. Maybe Price would have helped , I guess he has had some good games against them.
 
Heres the deal......head coaches do not get a pass becuase they are rookies making rookie mistakes. They better have their shitntogether or they are going to get canned quick. Imo. Corbin isnt even close to haveing his **** together and looks like he does not even have a gameplan. He is terrible beyond belief!
 
But have there ever been any real star players that didn't have a good/great head coach?? I understand what you are saying, I really do... But did Kobe Bryant or Shaquille O Neal ever emerge under that stiff Del Harris?? No, they did under Phil Jackson... I could give more examples, but I think you get my point...

We have talent on this team... That's evident, but there is no mental toughness to go with that talent... Some of you may forget but Kobe Bryant, under Del Harris, was taking wide open threes against the Jazz in the Western conference finals that ended up being nothing more than air balls... In fact, neither Kobe nor Shaq ever learned how to finish games until Phil came along...

Would Stockton and Malone be what they were without Jerry and his system??
You mean the Stockton and Malone that developed under Frank Layden and played Phil Johnson's system? Who knows.

We get it, you think all-time leaders in championships just grow on trees. Fill us in on what available guy that is because everyone is dying to know.

Like him or not, Corbin is here and he's been given a complete **** situation to work with. I don't and never thought he was the guy to put our hopes in, but I guarantee you he won't be fired and there's little we can do about it besides sit tight and hope he either ****s up bad enough to be cast back down to DePaul after his failure or that he ends up being Gregg Popovich. I don't have any interest in mediocrity, whether that's a massive turn-around or complete failure.
 
If it wasn't for the vocal group that is anti Corbin and blasting him at every chance I would likely feel more anti Corbin myself and listen to my own complaints/issues more but some people are way to over the top and not realistic in their expectations.
As well as some are the same ones that complained about Sloan and just anything/everything in general or have their own agenda in wanting a specific coach (like Van Gundy for example) so nothing Corbin does would be good enough.


Also helps that I had to come to my own realization that this season was going down the crapper long before Corbin became the HC so there wasn't much Corbin can or could do to win.
 
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As well as some are the same ones that complained about Sloan and just anything/everything in general or have their own agenda in wanting a specific coach (like Van Gundy for example) so nothing Corbin does would be good enough.

Exactly. In the past so many on Jazzfanz complained because they wanted Sloan to retire. They complained because they wanted Boozer gone. They complained because Korver couldn't play defense. Well they got what they wanted, and now they're complaining about Corbin and Millsap and our lack of perimeter shooting.

There are several things I wish Ty would improve upon - but the guy was handed the reigns in as tough a situation as he could ever be put in - and then had his superstar traded and half his starters injured. I would argue he deserves a chance before everyone writes him off, but then again that's not the nature of this board so I expect him to be bashed until he either wins a championship or morphs into Tom Thibbadeau.
 
If it wasn't for the vocal group that is anti Corbin and blasting him at every chance I would likely feel more anti Corbin myself and listen to my own complaints/issues more but some people are way to over the top and not realistic in their expectations.
As well as some are the same ones that complained about Sloan and just anything/everything in general or have their own agenda in wanting a specific coach (like Van Gundy for example) so nothing Corbin does would be good enough.


Also helps that I had to come to my own realization that this season was going down the crapper long before Corbin became the HC so there wasn't much Corbin can or could do to win.

Yeah well, everything started going down the crapper with Sloan because our former star player thought he could run the team better than our HOF head coach... You've got to buy in...

At the beginning of the season when we were having all of those comeback wins, everybody on this team was buying into Sloans philosophy, but because a certain PG decided that he wanted it his way, we are below .500 now and out of the playoffs... I just don't understand that... I will ALWAYS hate Deron Williams for single handedly destroying this franchise...

He is now my "Kobe Bryant"... And I hope he rots on cellar dwelling teams for the rest of his career!
 
Exactly. In the past so many on Jazzfanz complained because they wanted Sloan to retire. They complained because they wanted Boozer gone. They complained because Korver couldn't play defense. Well they got what they wanted, and now they're complaining about Corbin and Millsap and our lack of perimeter shooting.

There are several things I wish Ty would improve upon - but the guy was handed the reigns in as tough a situation as he could ever be put in - and then had his superstar traded and half his starters injured. I would argue he deserves a chance before everyone writes him off, but then again that's not the nature of this board so I expect him to be bashed until he either wins a championship or morphs into Tom Thibbadeau.

I never wanted Sloan or Korver gone... Granted I did want Boozer gone because of his revolving door defense... Luckily he now has teammates in Chicago that are doing a brilliant job of masking his glaring defensive deficiences with their fantastic help defense... Boozer should give part of his big payday to guys like Deng, Noah, etc...

Anyway, I got off of the subject a little bit.

The point is this... As it's been proven time and time again... If you buy into Sloan and what he is doing, pretty much any group of players can be successful...

A certain star PG who thought he was bigger than the franchise forgot about that and singlehandedly set this franchise back some 5 years... Thanks Deron... Here's to hoping that you get stuck with cellar dwelling teams for the rest of your career, PUNK!
 
I knew signing Corbin was a big mistake from the start and have stated my opinion here numerous times, but have always been swamped by comments like "Give him a chance, we just lost Deron" or "Give him a full season next year", etc, etc,

Having said that, I do think now that "may be" they extended him for 2 years to give Hornacek time to learn the ropes and then take over. I see what you saw in Hornacek - the calming influence over the team, plus experience and unmatched pedigree.

On a side note - Stockton was watching the game tonight vs Lakers. Wouldn't it be great if eventually Hornacek and Stockton ended up coaching the Jazz ala Sloan and Johnson?

I still think Ty is only there to guide & nurture Hornacek while the young core develops.

Hornacek's the future - mark my word - Hornacek will be Utah's next head coach.

Side note:
Has anyone noticed that Hornacek is actually as tall as Corbin? How weird is that??!!!

Thanks for jinxing it, jackass!
 
Extending Tyrone Corbin was a HUGE mistake...

Time after time this year in the Corbin era I have seen the Jazz get a first half lead only to piss it away late in the game when it really matters... One thing I do know about our old coach is that if we were in the game against the Lakers, up 6 at the end of the half, he would have these guys ready to play and compete in the 2nd half, and the result in this game at the very least would have been a close game...

I know that a lot of you are rooting for draft picks, but take it from a Vikings fan, the free agent/draft carousel gets old real quick! And draft picks are never a guarantee...

And when you add the fact that no big name free agents want to play here because it's "Utah", you have to be dead on balls accurate with your draft picks, otherwise you're just throwing away time and money...

I like Tyrone, I really do... He's a hard guy to hate really... You can tell that he wants to win, and badly.. But you can also tell that the guy doesn't have what it takes to be a head coach in this league. He exhudes a lack of confidence that you can almost feel... And it permeates to every player on this team, especially late in games... Corbins facial expressions alone tell me that HE believes that this team will blow the game somehow...

If there are players still left on this team that joined the Deron Williams resistance to force Jerry out (and yes, I believe that he is the MAIN reason why Jerry left), I'll bet they are kicking themselves in the rear end right now...

And they should be...

Here is my honest opinion... I really think that Jeff Hornacek is the kind of guy with the knowledge, league experience, and flatlined personality needed to get this team on the right track again... All I see this guy doing is pulling guys aside on the sidelines (especially young players) and instructing them, calming them down, etc. He just "feels" like a head coach to me, whereas Corbin does not...

I would even be all for a "Karl Malone" coming in here and kicking some of these guys in the ***... Sure it might be a grandstanding move, but I think he can teach these guys the "nuances" or "tricks" to succeeding in the NBA if you will, whereas Corbin may be too "politically correct" to go that route...

Sorry, this is a crooked league... And Stockton and Malone etched their names into NBA history forever by taking advantage of that system by doing certain things to get the calls, getting into the oppositions head, etc...

What do you guys think??

Very prescient post from 3 years ago. Nice work. Too bad it has turned out to be so true.
 
Weird 2 threads from before I was a Corbin hater. I was preaching giving him time when these threads came out. Now I get crap for being one of the biggest Corbin haters on the board.
 
A couple of things, Corbin used to be a guy talking to the players away from the huddle and what not like some described but now that he is the HC he cannot just do that he has other things now but I still see him occasionally talking to a player or 2 during the game.

For a team to reflect their coach topic, nobody mentioned that the star player for the team has to buy in and preach the same. Example Duncan reflects and plays exactly what Pop is preaching same goes for Kobe and even Stock & Malone all bought in and reflected/played the way the coach did so the team follows. Currently the Jazz don't have that star player and Corbin is still probably learning his way a bit as any new HC likely would.

I forget my last point and others have already touched on some other points anyway but lastly wanted to add I've had my complaints and issues with Corbin during games as well but then we all complained about certain things Sloan did as well such is the life of a fan. So with that said I think it is better for Corbin to get some mistakes out of the way this season when the season is and was a mess before he even started so when the games and seasons really start to matter he'll have that to build on.

I think the greatest complaint about Corbin is his rotations. Everyone knew that we were going to have a poor record this season because this is year one of a rebuild project. You claim that Corbin is being judged unfairly because he was given a tough hand to play. I disagree. He was a handed a great cast of players for a rebuild project. Our core 4/5 is an amazing starting place for any rebuilding process. Wins were and are not the par that he's being judged on. Its the development of the previously stated core. Playing two veterans who have no impact on the future of this team more than our rare young blue chip talent is silly.

Corbin is trying to build his resume instead of focusing on the teams direct goals. Which is the coaching staffs job: build a winning team, not hold the team back for his own gain.

Other teams around the league are salivating at the mouth over players like Kanter and Burks while we insult and inhibit their growth and confidence by playing washed up vets who have a good attitude.

Corbin was handed a rare opportunity with this team and he's fallen very short of the goals set before him. He may be a great man and even a decent coach on a more experienced team, but he's terrible at developing younger talent and that is a unforgivable sin on this team at this point of our development.

(Btw holy run on sentence Batman.)

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I think the greatest complaint about Corbin is his rotations. Everyone knew that we were going to have a poor record this season because this is year one of a rebuild project. You claim that Corbin is being judged unfairly because he was given a tough hand to play. I disagree. He was a handed a great cast of players for a rebuild project. Our core 4/5 is an amazing starting place for any rebuilding process. Wins were and are not the par that he's being judged on. Its the development of the previously stated core. Playing two veterans who have no impact on the future of this team more than our rare young blue chip talent is silly.

Corbin is trying to build his resume instead of focusing on the teams direct goals. Which is the coaching staffs job: build a winning team, not hold the team back for his own gain.

Other teams around the league are salivating at the mouth over players like Kanter and Burks while we insult and inhibit their growth and confidence by playing washed up vets who have a good attitude.

Corbin was handed a rare opportunity with this team and he's fallen very short of the goals set before him. He may be a great man and even a decent coach on a more experienced team, but he's terrible at developing younger talent and that is a unforgivable sin on this team at this point of our development.

(Btw holy run on sentence Batman.)

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Great post. Repped.

I agree with all of it with an exception to the part about other teams salivation over burks and kanter. Everything else is spot on.
 
I think the greatest complaint about Corbin is his rotations. Everyone knew that we were going to have a poor record this season because this is year one of a rebuild project. You claim that Corbin is being judged unfairly because he was given a tough hand to play. I disagree. He was a handed a great cast of players for a rebuild project. Our core 4/5 is an amazing starting place for any rebuilding process. Wins were and are not the par that he's being judged on. Its the development of the previously stated core. Playing two veterans who have no impact on the future of this team more than our rare young blue chip talent is silly.

Corbin is trying to build his resume instead of focusing on the teams direct goals. Which is the coaching staffs job: build a winning team, not hold the team back for his own gain.

Other teams around the league are salivating at the mouth over players like Kanter and Burks while we insult and inhibit their growth and confidence by playing washed up vets who have a good attitude.

Corbin was handed a rare opportunity with this team and he's fallen very short of the goals set before him. He may be a great man and even a decent coach on a more experienced team, but he's terrible at developing younger talent and that is a unforgivable sin on this team at this point of our development.

(Btw holy run on sentence Batman.)

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Thanks for taking the time to read through this thread, however that post was from over 2yrs ago.

I also posted in one of the many thousands of Corbin threads that the coach following a HoF coach almost never succeeds and so anybody who said he was going to fail was statistically going to be right (even if their reasoning wasn't).

When he was hired I assumed he was destined to fail but was willing to let him learn and take his lumps as that is exactly what the Jazz team as a whole were doing and now that we are getting to the point where the team should be ready to take the next step if Corbin wasn't ready to take that step then so be it. Thanks for being the stop gap and everybody's whipping boy while keeping the locker room together and being an all around nice guy.
 
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