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Please fire Snyder and get a real coach in the summer

It's not just Snyder! This is the problem:

Snyder-Very intelligent, but lacks the discipline of holding players accountable. Sometimes you need to call out players publicly to get them to play to their full potential. Sometimes you need to freak out! especially when the refs are screwing us.

Favors- he is very talented but lacks the fire to be special. He has no attitude and plays like a shy little boy half the time.

Gobert- He's got the right attitude, size and is a rebound machine. Problem is he's got no offensive skills. He doesn't have even a 10-15 foot shot, he seems clumsy and week when he's in traffic and or driving to the hoop. His hands are soft and week. the results are not enough scoring and a lot of turnovers.

Hayward- He's our best player and a max contract guy. He doesn't play like a max contract guy! He's an awesome number two option guy, not a max player. His biggest problem is he's passive at times and looses the ball a lot when he becomes the dribbler.

Mack- overhyped, he's honestly our third best point guard and for whatever reason was thrown into the starting role. He has shown his ability to be a slasher/floater type scorer, but for the past 4 games his confidence has been shattered. he's not a starter period! He cant buy a shot and so he's not even looking to be a scorer anymore.

Neto- He plays with fire and might be our best point guard at this point. But he lacks the ability to score from mid-short range. It looks like he's trying to find a fall away shot from his search dribble, But for whatever reason he cant get it to go down...EVER! Lets call it as it is, he's a solid number three point guard and an average number two!

Burke- Disappointing to say the least! He really just needs to accept that he's not an NBA starter and a hell of a good backup. He'll never be a starter, not matter what team he ends up on next season. With that said, he's the best point guard we have this year. Why don't the coaches and management just make him the starter for hell sake? We would be better off at least for this year!

Hood- Has all the scoring talent in the world, but is soft and injury prone. It seems like every 3-4 games he's out with an injury or is sick ect... Grow a pair and play through pain man! we need you out there!

Booker, Lyles, Burks- Are all good players and are flashy at times. But lack consistency. They are and always will be great off the bench. They are not the problem, they're just not our go to guys.

Whithey, Ingles, Johnson and Pleiss- They are all D league players and are killing us in every category when they're on the court. These guys are one of our biggest problems!


Management (Miller family)- It used to be when the team needed a boost Larry H. Miller used to call his players out publicly and handle situations with force. He never let his teams/players slack off. He was hands on because it was his passion. He built the Jazz from the ground up! I just don't see that fire anymore. The Millers are great people and have done a lot for this state, I just wish there was a form of ownership that was actually emotional about his team and held their players, coaches, GM's accountable for not performing. The house that Larry built should mean something to all that's employed there. It's ok to demand effort on every play and in every category of this team.
 
Mack sucks more than Burke, that's for sure.

Then tell me who decided to take Ingles? It means Quin appreciate him. Same goes with Chris Johnson. They could cut these players and find easily better players both in Europe or D-League. Ingles didn't prove himself in Europe either. Quin appreciates players with their intangibles. The locker room can be healthy and united but it does not always translate into winning games.

Let's not forget that Quin was playing Booker over Kanter in many situations last season.

Why are you criticizing Quin Snyder for not doing Dennis Lindsey's job.
 
Mack sucks more than Burke, that's for sure.

Then tell me who decided to take Ingles? It means Quin appreciate him. Same goes with Chris Johnson. They could cut these players and find easily better players both in Europe or D-League. Ingles didn't prove himself in Europe either. Quin appreciates players with their intangibles. The locker room can be healthy and united but it does not always translate into winning games.

Let's not forget that Quin was playing Booker over Kanter in many situations last season.
Simply not true to begin the season. Quin stuck with Enes as the starter for a LONG time. But for those who claim Quin doesn't hold players accountable, that's EXACTLY what he did with Enes. Kanter's minutes started to slide once it was evident Enes was never going to give effort defensively.

Quin has a lot of faults as a coach. But he can't run the point, he isn't on the court missing shot after shot. Snyder would look a lot smarter if Lindsey would give him legit NBA players to work with, especially off the bench. Lyles isn't ready for minutes; Johnson and Ingles are trash. Not sure why, as Joe actually played ok last season. Booker has been largely ineffective. And who does he bring in at PG: Curly, Mo or Larry?
 
Why are you criticizing Quin Snyder for not doing Dennis Lindsey's job.

I simply want to say the coach and the GM they surely consult to complete and improve the roster. I guess Quin agreed to trade for Mack. The fact that he put him immediately in the starting lineup and gave him a special treatment, confirms it.

There is another consideration, we fans we always want the playoffs. In the last seasons the management cared more about developing young players combined with mid-round draft picks to improve the roster. The Jazz are tanking indirectly since they hired Lindsey.

I think this season objective was to develop further the young players and trying to make the playoffs but Exum injury probably changed their plans. Otherwise they would have spent money to take a competitive point guard and they would have improved their bench depth to reach the playoffs. In litte words another wasted season hoping to get a good draft pick.

Next season will be crucial both for DL and Quin. I miss Jerry Sloan times!
 
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I simply want to say the coach and the GM they surely consult to complete and improve the roster.

It umm... it seems like an incredibly irrational and unreasonable leap of logic to assume that DL would like to replace Ingles and Johnson with actual NBA players, but won't do it because Quin doesn't want him to.

I feel silly even typing that out.
 
I like Quin and hope he stays for a long time. Firing coaches every other year is bad for a team just look at teams like the Raiders. Isn't it time to ask Gordon Hayward to step up he is our max money guy. Look I know everyone thinks I'm too hard on Hayward. So, I will pull back the reigns. I feel he is in a crappy situation because he isn't a top guy. I know there are some of you that think he is a number two in this league. I think you are wrong. But, he has been given the keys and he isn't doing anything to step up from my point of view. If we make the playoffs we need him, and Favors to show that they aren't scared of the big lights. That doesn't mean shooting all these weak jumpers. They need to attack the rim. The only player that I have confidence in his J is Hood. The rest should all try to attack the rim.
 
It umm... it seems like an incredibly irrational and unreasonable leap of logic to assume that DL would like to replace Ingles and Johnson with actual NBA players, but won't do it because Quin doesn't want him to.

I feel silly even typing that out.

I didn't say this. Don't troll bro.

You assume that Quin has no word and power in the choice of the players to add in the roster.

I think a coach has a list of preferred players fitting their system of play. Then it is up to the GM to try to satisfy the coach requests, depending the ownership directives and the market availabilities.
 
It's not all on DL, Ugliness/losing brings out the worst in people. It also highlights the lack of effort that we're seeing on the court. especially from Favors, Gobert, Hood and Hayward. These are the leaders of this team and none of them stand up and lead by example. When was the last time you have seen the Gobert solute? Our young team was fun to watch last season because of their effort on the court. Hell, people didn't care that they lost and didn't make the playoffs. Exum and Burks can lead from the bench! Where're they at? We can all deal with losing if a young team is giving it all they have, but what we're seeing in Effort, turnovers, missed shots, defensive break downs and an overall lazy effort, is unacceptable! Time to wake up and go to work, put a little passion into your work! Just my opinion!

I'll always be a Jazz fan, but I don't have to like them right now! FRUSTRATED!
 
It's not just Snyder! This is the problem:

Whithey, [is] killing us in every category when they're on the court. [He is] one of our biggest problems!


Overall, good assessment. I might take exception about Burks and I think it's too early to pass judgment on Lyles. But how can you say Withey is a problem when he's not playing? In fact, he played very well when he was given the chance and I don't understand why Quinn has not been giving him minutes, especially with how inconsistent Rudy has been since coming back.
 
I didn't say this. Don't troll bro.

You assume that Quin has no word and power in the choice of the players to add in the roster.

I think a coach has a list of preferred players fitting their system of play. Then it is up to the GM to try to satisfy the coach requests, depending the ownership directives and the market availabilities.

lol

So in other words, you think Quin prefers players like Chris Johnson and Joe Ingles, and that's preventing DL from getting anyone better.

Why don't you just admit that you're butt hurt over how Quin handled Kanter, and so you're reaching up your *** for reasons to call him a bad coach.
 
lol

So in other words, you think Quin prefers players like Chris Johnson and Joe Ingles, and that's preventing DL from getting anyone better.

Why don't you just admit that you're butt hurt over how Quin handled Kanter, and so you're reaching up your *** for reasons to call him a bad coach.

Quin had other players in his list but he settled with Ingles and Chris Johnson too.

Anyway I blame DL more than Quin, but Quin isn't totally blameless either. He could have demanded some players more suited to his offensive system, in little words sharpshooters.

Quin handled Kanter normally. It was Corbin that mishandled Kanter, Hayward and Burks.
 
I think Hayward is best served the next couple years continuing to lift his *** off but at the same time lose a little weight. If he could shed 5-8 pounds and maintain his strength, I think it would make all the difference in his game tbh. Lateral quickness on d. Penetrating. In three open court. In so many ways.
 
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