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[Deleted member 848]

By this measure then Exum is headed toward bustville because his stats were worse after the all star break. That's the problem with cherry picking.

A rather moronic statement, in all honesty.

Exum's post all star offensive stats show that, yes, his offense is brutal and in need of dire improvement.

However, he is not heading for bust-ville, especially if you take into account the Jazz record once Exum started in the latter half of the 2015 season.

That's the problem with making up statements that I simply did not say. If you're arguing that Hood's post-allstar stats do not represent his offensive talent, you are simply mistaken.

 

[fishonjazz]

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This ****ing guy averaged this in his rookie season while closing out games as primary ball-handler, and we want to reward this by giving him a ****ing bench role in order to address our essentially non-existent defensive problems after Kanter left?

Baffling. If Cleveland can shut down teams with JR and Kyrie getting intense burn, I think we'll be fine with Hood playing okay D at the 2.

Pretty solid post.

Our defense is fine I think. Naos may have a point about our good defense due to pace..... How was our defense the last few months in terms of opponent points per possession and field goal percentage?
If it was really good then maybe we don't need more perimeter defense since Exum is quite good, Hayward is above average, millsap is great and favors and Rudy cure all lapses

 

[Deleted member 848]

Burks is better defensively against pg's than sg's imo

He has a historically poor DRTG against every team with a good point guard in the NBA-- a rather meaningless stat, but it's all I could find.

I tried accessing stats that compared his defense against SGs vs PGs, but I couldnt find much. I personally disagree with this statement quite strongly.

 

[Deleted member 848]

Pretty solid post.

Our defense is fine I think. Naos may have a point about our good defense due to pace..... How was our defense the last few months in terms of opponent points per possession and field goal percentage?
If it was really good then maybe we don't need more perimeter defense since Exum is quite good, Hayward is above average, millsap is great and favors and Rudy cure all lapses

Dude, let's not overcomplicate things: our defense is good because we have a mobile, smart defender with a 9'9" standing reach (who has shown to be statistically the best rim-protector in the NBA), along with a very smart, mobile defender at the 4 with a 9'2" standing reach, who's mobile enough to guard wings in crunch-time. Round that out with a very good defender defending the deepest position at the NBA, a glut of competent defenders at the 3 (Hayward, Ingles, Sap), and I think we can palate Rodney Hood at the 2 with Alec Burks.

 

[fishonjazz]

He has a historically poor DRTG against every team with a good point guard in the NBA.

I tried accessing stats that compared his defense against SGs vs PGs, but I couldnt find much. I personally disagree with this statement quite strongly.

He rarely guarded pg's but I remember him playing great defensively against cp3, Tony Parker, and shutting down lillard. Some pretty good pg's there

 

[fishonjazz]

Dude, let's not overcomplicate things: our defense is good because we have a mobile, smart defender with a 9'9" standing reach (who has shown to be statistically the best rim-protector in the NBA), along with a very smart, mobile defender at the 4 with a 9'2" standing reach, who's mobile enough to guard wings in crunch-time. Round that out with a very good defender defending the deepest position at the NBA, a glut of competent defenders at the 3 (Hayward, Ingles, Sap), and I think we can palate Rodney Hood at the 2 with Alec Burks.

Exactly.
Let the cake bake.
Screw carroll and green. They both gonna wish they were part of the jazz after next year

 

[Deleted member 848]

He rarely guarded pg's but I remember him playing great defensively against cp3, Tony Parker, and shutting down lillard. Some pretty good pg's there

Alec's worst two DRTG's against opposing teams in the 2014 season were 1) Atlanta, and 2) San Antonio. Two teams with screen-heavy offenses that Alec would get clobbered by. His Clippers DRTG was almost as bad.

 

[fishonjazz]

Alec's worst two DRTG's against opposing teams in the 2014 season were 1) Atlanta, and 2) San Antonio. Two teams with screen-heavy offenses that Alec would get clobbered by. His Clippers DRTG was almost as bad.

San Antonio very well might have been due to guarding Danny green. Burks ball watches and leaves players open who move without the ball.

Pg's have the ball allot so ball watching is not as much an issue.
Also physically, when looking at alec and his physical attributes would you call him a big strong well built player, or a smaller, faster player? I think speed is his best physical attribute and it would seem that attribute would be most effective against speedier players.

We probably just going to agree to disagree on this one

 

[♪alt13]

Dude, let's not overcomplicate things: our defense is good because we have a mobile, smart defender with a 9'9" standing reach (who has shown to be statistically the best rim-protector in the NBA), along with a very smart, mobile defender at the 4 with a 9'2" standing reach, who's mobile enough to guard wings in crunch-time. Round that out with a very good defender defending the deepest position at the NBA, a glut of competent defenders at the 3 (Hayward, Ingles, Sap), and I think we can palate Rodney Hood at the 2 with Alec Burks.

Most nights Hood should get every minute at the 3 that Hayward doesn't take. He is a Swing man and will play both positions.

Sap will be this years Evans. If he can't develop a credible 3 he is going to disappear into the pine.

 

[infection]

Trying to make us go from 5th best to 2nd best in NBA defense is much less important than going from 25th to 10th best in offense.

I'm skimming this thread, but in a more general sense thank you for putting into words what I've tried to convey previously as many have been obsessed with beefing up our defense.

 

[seattlejazzfan]

Exactly.
Let the cake bake.
Screw carroll and green. They both gonna wish they were part of the jazz after next year

Amen. Let's see what Burks is capable of defensively under a coach who understands player development and who understands how to coach and teach defense. Burks has been subpar on defense, but he has the physical ability - he's a long, athletic, 6'6" with a 6'10" wingspan who plays with effort - I think under Quin's tutelage, he can be very good defensively. Hood showed promise defensively last year as a rookie and will only improve. Hood and Burks are 22 and 23 respectively. Green and Carroll are 28. Both Hood and Burks have so much more potential offensively than Green and Carroll - if they can get there defensively, you want them playing as many minutes as possible.

 

[Deleted member 848]

San Antonio very well might have been due to guarding Danny green. Burks ball watches and leaves players open who move without the ball.

Definitely recall Burks guarding starting PGs, especially early on with Burke being injured.

Pg's have the ball allot so ball watching is not as much an issue.

It becomes an issue when opposing teams know that the PG's defender gets buried in picks. Imagine Burks guarding Curry. Holy ****, the mayhem.

Also physically, when looking at alec and his physical attributes would you call him a big strong well built player, or a smaller, faster player? I think speed is his best physical attribute and it would seem that attribute would be most effective against speedier players.

I think he has the quintessential, prototypical SG build. Long, strong, solid base. I think he's quick, like quick enough to guard most opposing SGs, and strong enough as well-- I certainly don't think he can keep up with the Teagues, the Lawsons, the Curries, the Conleys, etc. He'd have a much easier time guarding the Oladipos, the Kobes, the JRs, Greens, the Redicks, the Thompsons. At least IMO.

We probably just going to agree to disagree on this one

Fair.