Police Power and Racial Tensions in Ferguson, Missouri

[JAZZGASM]

I imagine the scenarios where a person could be shot through the front part of the head and into the clavicle from a distance (no powder burns on body). He could be in the act of falling or charging. It would be very difficult if Brown was laying flat or on his knees. And if he was falling it would be a tough shot too.

The other thing is, if I am a murderous cop, and two suspects have their arms up saying dont shoot, why didnt I kill both of them? Why leave one alive to dispute my story? I agree that cops words have too much pull in our system, but as stated before, even if the officer was in the wrong, shooting someone that fits the exact description (from head to toe) of someone who just forcibly robbed a store, your co-robber's version of events probably wont hold up in court.

And even if I do not have a sense of ownership in my neighborhood, you can be sure if I protest it will be in the neighborhood of the perpetrator. Instead of destroying random stores, destroy the cops house...

 

[Gameface]

Yep, if it comes time to shoot someone, you are always taught to shoot to kill. This isn't TV where you can shoot the gun out of the bad guy's hand, or shoot them precisely in the knee to stop them. That stuff does not and cannot happen in real life.

I'd say "shoot to kill" is just as false. You shoot center mass. Not because it kills but because it is the center of the target you're trying to stop. Missing slightly from hitting center mass will have the best chance of still hitting the overall target and the least chance of hitting an innocent bystander. Hitting the chest also has the benefit of stopping a person relatively quickly.

If people were trained to shoot to kill then they'd shoot at the head...and they'd miss a lot...and hit innocent people more often...and die more often because the threat continued to do them harm.

 

[DutchJazzer]

all the looters and protesters should apologiz and say my bad.

ooh wait we live in a society where everybody is a victim

 

[Gameface]

I'd say "shoot to kill" is just as false. You shoot center mass. Not because it kills but because it is the center of the target you're trying to stop. Missing slightly from hitting center mass will have the best chance of still hitting the overall target and the least chance of hitting an innocent bystander. Hitting the chest also has the benefit of stopping a person relatively quickly.

If people were trained to shoot to kill then they'd shoot at the head...and they'd miss a lot...and hit innocent people more often...and die more often because the threat continued to do them harm.

Another important point here. Police cannot use their firearm as a "less-than-lethal" alternative. They can only use their firearm when lethal force is justified. When lethal force is justified it is because someone is threatening their life or the life of another innocent person. In such a scenario the police officer's reaction is an emergency reaction that needs to have the best chance of stopping the threat. If a cop were to take an aimed shot at someone's hand or knee it would indicate that lethal force wasn't justified and open the officer up to repercussions. Not only if the officer was successful in hitting their target but if they were not and an innocent person died because the threat was not stopped when it could have been.

 

[TroutBum]

As has been mentioned before, you generally have sizable levels of marijuana in your system long after your are high.

No ****. What's your point? I raped some prostitute, but it was two weeks ago... So ya, I'm cool. Crime is crime, even if it is a horribly ****ty law, it is what it is.

It's quite easy to lack of sense of ownership in the neighborhood where you live.

I'm trying to figure out why you're making excuses for this level of stupidity. You're too smart for this kind of crap.

It is also quite easy to feel a sense of ownership as well. As demonstrated by those defending the stores.

Judas, things are starting to get hazy in my life when I'm nodding in agreement with a Stroked post.

Just forget it. You already have your mind made up. No sense in exploring the new. If I tried to tell you then you would just say 'I only read the first sentence, then I quit reading.' Hello? You still there.

And then this happened, and my transformation to The Dark Side was complete.

Cowhide might be the dumbest poster on this board next to heyhey. Dutch is jealous, tbpfhwy.

 

[Nate505]

No ****. What's your point? I raped some prostitute, but it was two weeks ago... So ya, I'm cool. Crime is crime, even if it is a horribly ****ty law, it is what it is.

What's your point exactly? The difference is you would actually be convicted of rape if you were arrested, while testing positive for weed is not a crime at all, despite the fact one has to possess it beforehand. Not to mention even if you're talking about his possession whatever time ago, since when do misdemeanor count for anything other than the misdemeanor being committed. He might have had a failure to use his left turn signal ticket too. Ohh, crime. Hell, he was walking in the middle of the street when this happened. More crime. Crime is everywhere!!

 

[Nate505]

The video and the marijuana does not help the brown family in getting a conviction imo. 6 shots and one into the top of the head, if factual, do not help the officer imo.

What's the argument with the weed thing? He might have been stoned when this happened? Does that actually carry weight?

 

[One Brow]

They saying Michael Brown charged the officer.


Here is that video.

Scat's link offered a version of that video with subtitles on the comments to which you refer:

https://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php...er-in-Missouri&p=892034&viewfull=1#post892034

However, we don't know exactly who the speaker is talking about; there are only pronouns used.

 

[One Brow]

What's more likely?

Thug just robs store. Doesn't want to get arrested. Assaults cop trying to talk to him. Cop kills thug.


Or


Gentle Giant minding his own business(except robbing stores and bullying people) is gunned down by lunatic racist cop hell bent on killing a black kid "for no reason"

The second option, minus the hyperbole.

 

[One Brow]

I imagine the scenarios where a person could be shot through the front part of the head and into the clavicle from a distance (no powder burns on body). He could be in the act of falling or charging. It would be very difficult if Brown was laying flat or on his knees. And if he was falling it would be a tough shot too.

The other thing is, if I am a murderous cop, and two suspects have their arms up saying dont shoot, why didnt I kill both of them? Why leave one alive to dispute my story? I agree that cops words have too much pull in our system, but as stated before, even if the officer was in the wrong, shooting someone that fits the exact description (from head to toe) of someone who just forcibly robbed a store, your co-robber's version of events probably wont hold up in court.

And even if I do not have a sense of ownership in my neighborhood, you can be sure if I protest it will be in the neighborhood of the perpetrator. Instead of destroying random stores, destroy the cops house...

What makes you think peaceful protests would have been allowed in Officer Wilson's neighborhood to begin with?

I agree that as a deliberate shot, the shot through the top of the head is unlikely. However, if the officer is still firing while Brown is falling, it's not that unrealistic.

 

[One Brow]

No ****. What's your point? I raped some prostitute, but it was two weeks ago... So ya, I'm cool. Crime is crime, even if it is a horribly ****ty law, it is what it is.

My point is that the presence of marijuana has no relevance on Brown's behavior during the shooting.

I'm trying to figure out why you're making excuses for this level of stupidity. You're too smart for this kind of crap.

Explanation =/= excuse. I think the violent protesters should be arrested and tried. I also understand why so many think that the neighborhood they live in is not something they have ownership of.

Judas, things are starting to get hazy in my life when I'm nodding in agreement with a Stroked post.

You say that as if Stoked and I disagreed.

 

[framer]

The problem is that everything in the original narrative proposed by the press, protesters, and Brown's family turns out to be a lie. Everything. That doesn't mean the shooting wasn't tragic, it certainly was. But I'm tired of this crap. Holder should not come in to a case where he has no real jurisdiction and start dictating terms like a third autopsy and trying to suppress the video from the cigar store. Go the Hell away, dillweed, and take Sharpton and Jackson with you. Are you going to start using government funds to manage protests like you did against Trayvon Martin too?
See if people REALLY cared about stuff like this, they would have raised a stink about Jose Guarena from my hometown. Dude, a vet, was asleep in his house when he got no knock raided by SWAT in his house. Hearing his front door kicked in, he ran downstairs after grabbing a weapon and was then shot several dozen times by automatic weapon fire. Turns out that he wasn't really guilty of any crime and any charges that they might have had against him and his family have faded into the ether. He wasn't a thug. But because he was Hispanic and not black:
The press didn't care
Holder didn't care
MSNBC didn't care
One Brow didn't care
The President didn't care
Jesse Jackson didn't care
Al Sharpton didn't care
and nobody rioted.
Guarena was a MUCH better example of police militarization gone awry, and you didn't have to lie about the circumstances. SO why wasn't anyone interested then?