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Poll: Should the Jazz Match Hayward's $15.75 a year/4 year Contract?

Should They Match?

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franklin said:
Hayward was pretty much the only player keeping the Jazz off the hardwood last season. Everyone of the other youth, who were supposed to grow, wildly underachieved expectations.
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You must be joking.

In what area did Hayward improve? He hung back to grab more rebounds instead of getting out in transition. He was lazier than in previous seasons in halfcourt defense. He couldn't hit a spot-up jumper all ****ing season. He still is hopeless finishing at the rim, especially through contact. He hit more of his mid-range pull-ups as the season progressed, but that's the only area where he showed any progress in-season. I saw no obvious improvements in his game from the end of the 12/13 season to the start of the 13/14 season; he once again looked completely unprepared for the start of the season. What am I missing?

What about Alec? His off-ball play improved a ton between 12/13 and 13/14. As far as I'm concerned that's the biggest, most obvious improvement any of the young players made.

I'm still hoping for a sign-and-trade.
 
Tarkanian said:
finally someone said it.
I was perusing the pages until the last one to write this and fishonjazz, in all his wisdom, put it bluntly.
If Gordo were a MAX player Utah would not have sucked that hard.
He was usually a non-factor to tell the truth.
Someone (=Cyrone me guesses) told about team improvement when he was around.
I call that BS for Jazz were a ****ty team nite in nite out.
Good riddance!
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You mean like how everybody is all planning to throw a MAX contract at Kevin Love because he's always manged have his teams contending for championships. . .

It's a team system. Players, coaches and front office. It's NEVER about one person - for good or bad. The contract overpays him, but saying that the Jazz were bad because of Hayward is the same as attributing the early season losing streak on Enes Kanter. Last time I checked, a whole team is needed to win games.
 
Crawlnstall said:
So we have three days now to match, is that right?
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Three days from when the offer is formally submitted, which can't be until tomorrow.

Hey, at least we know we couldn't have acquired Parsons for much cheaper. He has a $45M deal with Mavs that also includes a trade kicker.
 
Ellis269 said:
You mean like how everybody is all planning to throw a MAX contract at Kevin Love because he's always manged have his teams contending for championships. . .

It's a team system. Players, coaches and front office. It's NEVER about one person - for good or bad. The contract overpays him, but saying that the Jazz were bad because of Hayward is the same as attributing the early season losing streak on Enes Kanter. Last time I checked, a whole team is needed to win games.
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At least love has stats (not to mention his team was better than 4th worst)

Haywards stats were not very good and his team was the 4th worst in the league
 
Core4 said:
Three days from when the offer is formally submitted, which can't be until tomorrow.

Hey, at least we know we couldn't have acquired Parsons for much cheaper. He has a $45M deal with Mavs that also includes a trade kicker.
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I expect that the 4th year players option and trade kicker will end up being standard features for ANY RFA offer sheet moving forward. It works a hell of a lot better to discourage a team from matching than just having the players beg their team to not match the contract.

EDIT - Core4 posts a link in the next post that shows other contracts that have trade kickers in them. Guess it's not that new of a concept after all. . .
 
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Ellis269 said:
I expect that the 4th year players option and trade kicker will end up being standard features for ANY RFA offer sheet moving forward. It works a hell of a lot better to discourage a team from matching than just having the players beg their team to not match the contract. Kind of pissed that the Charlotte Hornets were the first team to figure this out. Haven't come across it in any other RFA offer sheets.
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Actually, it's pretty common, which I didn't realize either. Here's a link to a list of players (about 30). And the going rate seems to be 15%.
https://data.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/tradekickers.jsp
 
fishonjazz said:
At least love has stats (not to mention his team was better than 4th worst)

Haywards stats were not very good and his team was the 4th worst in the league
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Love does have better stats. And even though I'm not a huge fan of his, I also understand that he's clearly a MAX player in the NBA and worth that contract - whereas Gordon Hayward is not (yet and may never be.) But to say that the Jazz wouldn't have been a **** team if they had a player like Love, Hardin, etc. is disingenuous. There's a reason that Love is forcing his way out of Minnesota. It's because since they drafted him, they've finished as the 5th worst team in 2008 (25-58), 2nd worst in 2009 (15-67), the worst in 2010 (17-65), 10th worst in 2011 (*lockout season 26-40), 9th worst in 2012 (31-51) and 13th worst in 2013 (40-42). Granted in the East, they'd have been a playoff team last year, but having a sure-fire All Star player that's going to get a MAX contract hasn't helped the T-Wolves win games at all.
 
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I don't like this story that the Jazz have to match the offer regardless! Is Hayward still motivated to play for the Jazz? He looked disinterested in many games last season! Sometimes motivations count more than skills and in addition he is not a real leader!
 
Ellis269 said:
Love does have better stats. And even though I'm not a huge fan of his, I also understand that he's clearly a MAX player in the NBA and worth that contract - whereas Gordon Hayward is not (yet and may never be.) But to say that the Jazz wouldn't have been a sh*t team if they had a player like Love, Hardin, etc. is disingenuous. There's a reason that Love is forcing his way out of Minnesota. It's because since they drafted him, they've finished as the 5th worst team in 2008 (25-58), 2nd worst in 2009 (15-67), the worst in 2010 (17-65), 10th worst in 2011 (*lockout season 26-40), 9th worst in 2012 (31-51) and 13th worst in 2013 (40-42). Granted in the East, they'd have been a playoff team last year, but having a sure-fire All Star player that's going to get a MAX contract hasn't helped the T-Wolves win games at all.
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Touche'
Good post
 
Diamond77 said:
I don't like this story that the Jazz have to match the offer regardless! Is Hayward still motivated to play for the Jazz? He looked disinterested in many games last season! Sometimes motivations count more than skills and in addition he is not a real leader!
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It's pretty well known that Hayward was not a fan of Corbin for a few different reasons. My guess is that once Utah matches, and Hayward gets into town and gets to know Snyder, you're going to see a much more engaged player.
 
Burks or Favors ::> worthy candidates of a MAX contract in my book.
Hayward has it but also lacks it.
He has all the tools to be great but I suspect he is a bit too timid in psy department.
He has never displayed convincingly that he cares.
Jazz can spend this money for better pieces.
Parsons is a good player.
Luol Deng also.
Francisco Garcia was good at Roxettes this year.
For a quarter of Hayward's price tag, Garcia would provide an acceptable contribution.
Hood is also a very promising talent.

Jazz will probably match but should they really do that?
 
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