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Poor Jazz Roster Construction

Lakers_Slapper said:
"Mr. Slapper isn't half as bad as what your mamma calls me at night. Check your birth certificate. Mr. Slapper, may answer questions you've been holding for years.
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Dad? Is that really you? You ****ing deadbeat, you owe me 18 years of maintenance, pay or its your knee caps. Cash or cheque its up to you, 50k should cover it, by Monday. Thanks in advance for your understanding.
 
SuperHooper said:
While I love a lot of what Lindsey and Zanik did with the Jazz roster this summer (e.g., adding shooting and playmaking with Conley and Bogey, replacing solid backup center play with Davis)... I think they refused to provide any kind of athletic depth at the 4 - the Jazz will be quite short there (Jingles, Bogey, Royce, Green, Niang lol). Defense and rebounding with size and athleticism at that position was not only neglected, it seems it was completely ignored.

Clearly the modern NBA is more positionless and centered on shooting than ever, and traditional power forwards have mostly been replaced by nimble tweeners that can play more on the perimeter. But it’s also about having flexibility with wide varieties of combinations to adapt to one’s opponent. And the Jazz have only one style of 5-man (defensive-oriented and 0% perimeter threat), and only one style of 4-man (undersized, and relatively unathletic shooter). It makes us one-dimensional in that respect IMO.

What small-ball lineup could we ever possibly put out there against the Draymond’s, Horford’s, and AD’s of the NBA? Who on the team can hold against bigger forwards, lock up guards on the perimeter AND protect the rim and crash the boards? A 33 year old Jeff Green??? If you’re depending on him for anything you’ve already lost - that’s why he’s making the min. And the FO spent their final roster spot on ANOTHER non-athletic 6ft8 shooter, this one from a second-rate European league. William Howard very well may be a diamond in the rough, but he’s entirely duplicative of the rest of our 3-4’s.

In addition to the questionable backup PG options, I’m afraid this oversight will be costly at some point this season in their pursuit of a title. That’s compacted with the FO never recognizing the value in leaving a single roster spot open for buyouts/additions. Many teams are way too roster shift-happy, but it takes far too much for this FO to realize a mistake and change ANYTHING midstream.


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Not drinking the Koolaid I see

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Rubashov said:
Dad? Is that really you? You ****ing deadbeat, you owe me 18 years of maintenance, pay or its your knee caps. Cash or cheque its up to you, 50k should cover it, by Monday. Thanks in advance for your understanding.
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Son, you can't even spell "check" right. You spelled it "cheque". It's ok, I understand. You've never had one issued to you because you haven't worked and have been living in your mothers basement for quite sometime. And the only deadbeat is the one asking for $50k. When you grow up and get a job, you'll realize that's not a lot of money. When your a child, $50k seems like the world. But your not smart, so I know you'll blow it on things like a sex doll, 3 months of rent at an extended stay hotel, axe body spray, hookers and blow. But when you go to buy blow, you'll get ripped off and pay money for powdered sugar. And your hookers will be men with implants. That $50k that you dream about, would do you more harm than good.
 
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Lakers_Slapper said:
Son, you can't even spell "check" right. You spelled it "cheque". It's ok, I understand. You've never had one issued to you because you haven't worked and have been living in your mothers basement for quite sometime. And the only deadbeat is the one asking for $50k. When you grow up and get a job, you'll realize that's not a lot of money. When your a child, $50k seems like the world. But your not smart, so I know you'll blow it on things like a sex doll, 3 months of rent at an extended stay hotel, axe body spray, hookers and blow. But when you go to buy blow, you'll get ripped off and pay money for powdered sugar. And your hookers will be men with implants. That $50k that you dream about, would do you more harm than good.
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What is axe body paint?

Hookers and blow? What a cliche, that was so 2018 and most of 2008 through to 2016.

No, no the 50k is for a legitimate business opportunity, actually wish i had it but alas we cant have everything and ones cup already runneth over.
 
Lakers_Slapper said:
Jeff Green chose to come to the Jazz over the L.A. Lakers, so let's give him a standing O for doing what no player has ever done in NBA history. Chose the Utah Jazz over the Lakers. What's wrong with a 33 year old?? He's not a 38 year old Kyle Korver that we gave up 2 draft picks for and Alec Burks, I never heard you talk about that one.
I'm sure you're probably 18, and 33 seems ancient. I'm 36 and I know I could still clean someone's clock if I had to, young or old. (You may not get that metaphor, ask someone who was born before 1988 what it means).
We're not going to need someone to chase our offensive rebounds/misses, because we got guys that can put the ball in the freaking basket!!! Besides we're still going to be fine. We replaced Favors with Ed Davis! Do you know what this guy can do!!???
Ok cupcake, it's past your bedtime. Put on your footie pajamas and go to sleep. When you wake up, try to not say as many stupid things as you did the day before.
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Great post. But don’t you remember Raja’s helicopter ride with Kobe? A great moment in Jazz history.

(This is a bit different because the Jazz offered more $$$$ than the Lakers, but I still count it.

Also, God Bless Raja. I’m still sad about how it went down.)

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I think Morris would’ve been a better fit than Green. But he probably would’ve cost more.
 
Jazzmix said:
You can't eat a cake and have a cake. In order to improve our obvious deficiences we had to make some sacrifice. You couldnt get Bogdanovic and keep Favors at the same time. I think everyone sees the potential risk. But how would you adress it? Whom would you get for a vet min in place of Jeff Green? You want a player who can "hold against bigger forwards, lock up guards on the perimeter AND protect the rim and crash the boards". That's a long wish list.
I don't know if leaving open spot on the roster would give us real advantage. Apparently FO believes it s worth to give it to someone and hope we will find another Royce like player. I think anyway we will be able to improve by making some trade if we see a real problem.
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So I’m hardly the first non-homer to point out these weaknesses. The post was supposed to be a critique of the Jazz’s championship prospects. Instead of building in flexibility, we’ve now kinda locked ourselves into this 15-man roster (that’s very light in bench production and defensive forwards to guard Kawhi/Lebron/AD and pretty inflexible at the 5).

And it’s not that I’d want someone INSTEAD of Jeff Green - he’s a good get at the min. As an OPTION at the 4/5 he might be good for some minutes, but I don’t want to have to rely on him to win shart - he’s made a career out of disappointing teams... thus why he’s a Jazzman on a min 1-yr.

As I said if they couldn’t find a defensive, bouncy 4 at the min available anywhere, then instead of wasting the roster spot on a total no-name like William Howard, I would have rather just left it open for a buyout (as most contending teams do). Good luck playing 6’6” Royce as a small ball 5 - he’s good but he’s pretty much at his peak at 26 y/o, and he’s not THAT big, nor THAT athletic.

I’ll be yelling my lungs out every game cheering them, and I hope I’m wrong, but in a 7-game series l just don’t see this particular Jazz squad beating the best of the west.

PS: I’m glad we didn’t pay Favors $18m to play backup center minutes. Nor Mirotic + some wing shooter for the same price. That would have been worse.


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