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It's pretty clear as you start doing the exercise that:

- It's difficult to put together many lineups with great passing and great defense.
- We have some gaps and redundancies that would best be taken care of with some trades
- One of Dunn, THT, or George will not be in the rotation
- Some players will need to play slightly out of their ideal position in order to get minutes
 
I'm worried about the Lauri, Collins, Kessler lineup. It feels like Collins will be getting in Lauri's way unless we park him in the corner which is the exact thing he didn't like about playing in Atlanta. I don't love the Collins and Lauri fit overall unless they are playing with a 5 that can shoot and ideally pass as well.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
I'm worried about the Lauri, Collins, Kessler lineup. It feels like Collins will be getting in Lauri's way unless we park him in the corner which is the exact thing he didn't like about playing in Atlanta. I don't love the Collins and Lauri fit overall unless they are playing with a 5 that can shoot and ideally pass as well.
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Ya i wish the jazz wouldnt have traded for collins and wouldnt have re signed clarkson.

This exercise would be much easier then. Minutes would be available for who need em.
 
fishonjazz said:
Ya i wish the jazz wouldnt have traded for collins and wouldnt have re signed clarkson.

This exercise would be much easier then. Minutes would be available for who need em.
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I think I would have preferred signing Kuzma to trading for Collins. Kuz brings a lot more versatility offensively and would have been a better fit with Lauri and Walker. The minutes crunch in the backcourt with Clarkson back is tough. In my rotation I didn't even give Ochai minutes at sg and Dunn minutes at all. With Hardy preferring vets over young guys I'm a little concerned we end up with George and Hendricks getting only garbage time minutes instead of meaningful minutes this year.
 
When are people here gonna accept the fact that Hardy wants Lauri to play like a wing offensively, not like a PF?

They havent even glimpsed at starter level 3s (including Utah native Kuzma who was svailable) but have reportedly scouted at least:
Collins, McDaniels, DFS, Reed... all off ball PF archtypes. Three of them are more 4/5s than 3/4s.

They want the ball in Lauri's hands so they want the other 2 frontcourt starters to be off ball players.
 
HermanG said:
When are people here gonna accept the fact that Hardy wants Lauri to play like a wing offensively, not like a PF?

They havent even glimpsed at starter level 3s (including Utah native Kuzma who was svailable) but have reportedly scouted at least:
Collins, McDaniels, DFS, Reed... all off ball PF archtypes. Three of them are more 4/5s than 3/4s.

They want the ball in Lauri's hands so they want the other 2 frontcourt starters to be off ball players.
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Jalen and DFS are as much 3s as they are 4s. My issue is not how we use Lauri. My issue is the things you want the frontcourt partner to have with Lauri and Walker are shooting and defense. You can find someone better at those things and cheaper than JC. JC provides value in switchy small ball lineups so I like that... I think its easier to find the things you want next to Lauri and Walker (or many players) in a SF. Its part of the reason the PF like JC player type has fallen off.

I wouldn't have wanted Kuzma or Collins really. Would prefer a guy like Grant, DFS, McDaniels... I think Hendricks can be that dude and hopefully it doesn't take too long.

I think Lauri has distinct advantages at either forward spot and lets be honest... he will be at the top of every scouting report so he will draw the best defender regardless of who is next to him. I guess its more about fit with Walker than Lauri... since Lauri fits everything. I can see JC/Lauri bench frontcourt at the 4/5 being devastating offensively so there is value there... I just hope John can add value to the starting units and doesn't cramp the spacing for the guards and Kessler.
 
I just kinda wish we had also waited a minute before using our cap space on the trade. Like go ahead and make the poisonous offer to Reaves and circle back on Collins. I just don't think they would uncover a better offer and if they did then fine.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Jalen and DFS are as much 3s as they are 4s. My issue is not how we use Lauri. My issue is the things you want the frontcourt partner to have with Lauri and Walker are shooting and defense. You can find someone better at those things and cheaper than JC. JC provides value in switchy small ball lineups so I like that... I think its easier to find the things you want next to Lauri and Walker (or many players) in a SF. Its part of the reason the PF like JC player type has fallen off.

I wouldn't have wanted Kuzma or Collins really. Would prefer a guy like Grant, DFS, McDaniels... I think Hendricks can be that dude and hopefully it doesn't take too long.

I think Lauri has distinct advantages at either forward spot and lets be honest... he will be at the top of every scouting report so he will draw the best defender regardless of who is next to him. I guess its more about fit with Walker than Lauri... since Lauri fits everything. I can see JC/Lauri bench frontcourt at the 4/5 being devastating offensively so there is value there... I just hope John can add value to the starting units and doesn't cramp the spacing for the guards and Kessler.
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I just struggle to see a lot of high upside in the deal. There are a couple hypothetical scenarios ranging from "he is what he has appeared to be recently." This becomes the empty calories and a complete space-occupying and space-sucking trade.
The other is that he rehabs his value. This is where people hypothetically would say to trade him, but if his value increases, so does our belief that we should keep him and everyone gets dysphoric at the thought of moving him. But, ultimately, see #1 where it's a less-than-ideal space occupation and distribution. The most ideal is that he quickly rehabs value and we are able to move him. Or if you say he's so good that we see him as a core piece next to Lauri.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Jalen and DFS are as much 3s as they are 4s. My issue is not how we use Lauri. My issue is the things you want the frontcourt partner to have with Lauri and Walker are shooting and defense. You can find someone better at those things and cheaper than JC. JC provides value in switchy small ball lineups so I like that... I think its easier to find the things you want next to Lauri and Walker (or many players) in a SF. Its part of the reason the PF like JC player type has fallen off.

I wouldn't have wanted Kuzma or Collins really. Would prefer a guy like Grant, DFS, McDaniels... I think Hendricks can be that dude and hopefully it doesn't take too long.

I think Lauri has distinct advantages at either forward spot and lets be honest... he will be at the top of every scouting report so he will draw the best defender regardless of who is next to him. I guess its more about fit with Walker than Lauri... since Lauri fits everything. I can see JC/Lauri bench frontcourt at the 4/5 being devastating offensively so there is value there... I just hope John can add value to the starting units and doesn't cramp the spacing for the guards and Kessler.
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I agree with basically all of this, except I was more excited about Collins at the 5 before I looked at his numbers there, and he was really bad as a 5. He can really only defend at the 4.

I think Collins has the most value as a backup / emergency replacement for Lauri, but you don't pay a guy that much to do that.

I hope Hardy proves me wrong and figures out a way to make it all work.
 
Collins is a reclamation project who holds value as a contract for bigger trades.

It will pretty easy to return his numbers to a better level.
 
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