Potential Trade Possibilities

[Elizah Huge]

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So my trade idea would save 12M this year while getting Ariza and Hill for this year plus Hill for next year and only cost 12.75M since we’d be over the tax by 8M. That is using the assumption that the cap and hard cap stays at 109M/132M too.

We also get an asset for an extra year rather than Conley leaving for nothing. I don’t know but it sounds reasonable to me.

 

[LoPo]

So my trade idea would save 12M this year while getting Ariza and Hill for this year plus Hill for next year and only cost 16.25M since we’d be over the tax.

We also get an asset for an extra year rather than Conley leaving for nothing. I don’t know but it sounds reasonable to me.

I like the logic behind the trade, I'm just not sold on those players. If we could turn this into a 3 team trade for a team that wants Hill/Ariza, I'm interested.

After looking at the numbers, it's pretty clear that we need to avoid the luxury this year since we are close enough. Next year is a monster year with Don, Rudy and Joe extensions coming in.

 

[Elizah Huge]

I like the logic behind the trade, I'm just not sold on those players. If we could turn this into a 3 team trade for a team that wants Hill/Ariza, I'm interested.

After looking at the numbers, it's pretty clear that we need to avoid the luxury this year since we are close enough. Next year is a monster year with Don, Rudy and Joe extensions coming in.

You look around the league at who would want to take Conley plus what we could take back and the options are slim. OKC has cap room and has willingly taken on salary already.

 

[framer]

You look around the league at who would want to take Conley plus what we could take back and the options are slim. OKC has cap room and has willingly taken on salary already.

Check teams with trade exceptions as well.
I'm actually starting to wonder if the Jazz just intend to bring Conley back at a reduced salary next year. That probably makes the most sense for everyone, especially if the Jazz are a top 3 seed this year.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Check teams with trade exceptions as well.
I'm actually starting to wonder if the Jazz just intend to bring Conley back at a reduced salary next year. That probably makes the most sense for everyone, especially if the Jazz are a top 3 seed this year.

There is no trade exception big enough to take Conley’s salary.

I am perfectly fine with bringing Conley back at a reduced salary! I just don’t want to lose him for nothing. I actually like Conley more than most on here.

 

[Piso]

Next year :
Gobert : 35 300 000 $
Mitchell : 28 100 000 $ (not all-nba)
Bogdanovic : 18 700 000 $
Ingles : 13 000 000 $
Clarkson : 12 400 000 $
Favors : 9 700 000 $
O'Neale : 8 800 000 $
Azubuike : 2 100 000 $
Hughes : 1 500 000 $
Total (9 players) : 129 600 000 $

 

[NUMBERICA]

The Jazz are going to need to hit a homerun diamond-in-the-rough signing or draft selection to address serious talent shedding that’s going to be happening in the coming years (Conley is gonna be gone, BoJo getting real ****ing old).

Jettisoning Conley before free agency and not blowing the whole wad on Gobert (Donovan was always going to get fully maxed which is less than Gobert could’ve gotten) was the last, slim chance this team had to add substantial talent and the window has passed.

Even adding a $10 million long term contract that’s a good deal in the coming years is gonna have such massive ramifications. Billionaires don’t become billionaires by being sloppy with their investments.

This is probably going to be the best Jazz team for a decade, and the coming years are probably gonna be really distressing with the losses of Mike, Bojan, and Joe.

 

[infection]

Conley's value to us can increase drastically if he's seen as a guy who spreads the floor when playing with other guys, and someone who helps lead a super-bench unit, which is what it sounds like the direction we're headed in is. I'm interested in swapping him out for someone if they're quite a bit better defender without losing anything on the shooting end. One reason I favor OPJ. In any case, my concern is running with him as a role player this year only to lose him and his salary next year. If we end up keeping him on a reasonable deal beyond that, that's fine and can be a big positive, but if we have nothing to show for it next year except some draft pick debts, then keeping him this year for that role becomes kind of costly (and I'm not talking about $ here).

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I see that argument. It makes sense. Conley may be more important come playoff time.

I also see the value in avoiding the luxury this year. By avoiding the luxury this year, we stand to save a ton next year by avoiding the repeater tax. And if we lose Conley for nothing in the summer, that's a lost asset.

Repeater tax is not an issue next year. You have to be in the tax 3 out of the past 4 years to be a repeater.

 

[infection]

The Jazz are going to need to hit a homerun diamond-in-the-rough signing or draft selection to address serious talent shedding that’s going to be happening in the coming years (Conley is gonna be gone, BoJo getting real ****ing old).

Jettisoning Conley before free agency and not blowing the whole wad on Gobert (Donovan was always going to get fully maxed which is less than Gobert could’ve gotten) was the last, slim chance this team had to add substantial talent and the window has passed.

Even adding a $10 million long term contract that’s a good deal in the coming years is gonna have such massive ramifications. Billionaires don’t become billionaires by being sloppy with their investments.

This is probably going to be the best Jazz team for a decade, and the coming years are probably gonna be really distressing with the losses of Mike, Bojan, and Joe.

I think this is precisely why we can't fart around being content with certain hypotheticals or potentials, and need to get our asses out and sign someone like RHJ now. Little time for a "wait and see" approach and I think that will become very apparent in hindsight. I think we need to convert to "extremely win-now" moves and that means upgrading every spot possible. And right now that spot is the 10th man. And it just so happens that there's a 10th man out there now that's very available and meets a lot of our needs that we lack 1-9.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

The Jazz are going to need to hit a homerun diamond-in-the-rough signing or draft selection to address serious talent shedding that’s going to be happening in the coming years (Conley is gonna be gone, BoJo getting real ****ing old).

Jettisoning Conley before free agency and not blowing the whole wad on Gobert (Donovan was always going to get fully maxed which is less than Gobert could’ve gotten) was the last, slim chance this team had to add substantial talent and the window has passed.

Even adding a $10 million long term contract that’s a good deal in the coming years is gonna have such massive ramifications. Billionaires don’t become billionaires by being sloppy with their investments.

This is probably going to be the best Jazz team for a decade, and the coming years are probably gonna be really distressing with the losses of Mike, Bojan, and Joe.

It was really adding Favs and paying full price on JC that has us this cap strung... and the weird one year Joe extension. If the want to bring Mike or anyone back for 10-15M it means Favs or JC is likely being traded for no returning salary. Does that make you better? Is Dok ready?

It’s really hitting singles and doubles with your minimum guys... Oni might be one... Shaq too... maybe Forrest or Hughes provides some relief.

Of the trades mentioned... none change our title prospects next year really... all might hurt this year. We get consumed with not letting a guy walk for nothing but this year matters and using 17M on Rozier is not really preserving a great asset. You could functionally get what you want out of playing Oni (defense and shooting with some tertiary ball handling).

Only guy you could justify is Aaron Gordon and I have no idea why they trade him to us... is it a salary dump plus a pick? I like Gordon but he’s plateaued and he’s not the defensive stopper people think he is... he’s very good but I’m not sure he’s waaaaay better than Royce.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I think this is precisely why we can't fart around being content with certain hypotheticals or potentials, and need to get our asses out and sign someone like RHJ now. Little time for a "wait and see" approach and I think that will become very apparent in hindsight. I think we need to convert to "extremely win-now" moves and that means upgrading every spot possible. And right now that spot is the 10th man. And it just so happens that there's a 10th man out there now that's very available and meets a lot of our needs that we lack 1-9.

I'm for buying in now... there are only like 10 roster spots available in the league right now. I think you could go to RHJ and say 2 year minimum second year is a team option... and get it done. I'd be looking at it as a two year addition.