Potential Walker Trade Discussion

[Handlogten's Heros]

Meh…it matters to some degree but not much of a consideration when thinking about trading a player of Kessler’s caliber. If any of the young guys are good, they will get there with or without Hawkins and the addition of Hawkins would increase our chances at having one or more good players out of that group. I have more thoughts about this in the PT thread.

At the end of the day, Walker is just wayyy better than Hawkins so a straight swap is a complete non starter.

I wouldn't do it straight up. I just wonder what else might come with it to make it worth it.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

If you want losses and you think Kessler adds that many wins just sit him against bad teams.....

Not really how it works or that effective. You can win games against mid/good teams too.

 

[MTS]

I've already argued to death why settling for a meh Kessler trade just to get a handful more losses is a real bad idea, and I definitely don't want to rehash it.

Just going to point out that all the signaling from the Jazz seems to be that they do value Kessler highly and it would probably have to be a much stronger deal for them to consider it.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Not really how it works or that effective. You can win games against mid/good teams too.

Yeah, I don't think Kessler is winning that many games for the Jazz. I think he makes the games more competitive, but we are severely overrating Kessler if we think he is making the Jazz win games. If the Jazz are winning games it's because of Sexton/Lauri and Collins/Clarkson being motivated to show the league they aren'tas bad as they were last year

 

[KqWIN]

I wouldn't do it straight up. I just wonder what else might come with it to make it worth it.

If you squint, I think you could talk yourself into Hawkins being a late first kind of value….some teams might like him more or less. I think a good first might get it done. I think they have the better of their 27 and MIL 27. That makes is somewhat close, idk. It starts the conversation at least.

 

[KqWIN]

Pincus mocked a 3 teamer with BKN for Ingram. We send out Collins, Kessler, Brice, and a first for Ingram and Sharp.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10132448-a-3-team-trade-for-pelicans-to-move-brandon-ingram-nets-to-deal-cameron-johnson

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Yeah, I don't think Kessler is winning that many games for the Jazz. I think he makes the games more competitive, but we are severely overrating Kessler if we think he is making the Jazz win games. If the Jazz are winning games it's because of Sexton/Lauri and Collins/Clarkson being motivated to show the league they aren'tas bad as they were last year

He's our 3rd most impactful player. Going from 25-30 minutes of Walker to 20 minutes of Eubanks+Flip (with Collins picking up the extra minutes) is fairly significant imo.

Not sure how much weight to give it in this evaluation but it would certainly be part of the motivation.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

He's our 3rd most impactful player. Going from 25-30 minutes of Walker to 20 minutes of Eubanks+Flip (with Collins picking up the extra minutes) is fairly significant imo.

Not sure how much weight to give it in this evaluation but it would certainly be part of the motivation.

I just reject that completely. If the Jazz trade Walker, it's because they got a deal too good to pass up, not because they are worried about him winning too many games for them. The Jazz havent made a single move that has signaled they are desperate to bottom out at the expense of talent.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I just reject that completely. If the Jazz trade Walker, it's because they got a deal too good to pass up, not because they are worried about him winning too many games for them. The Jazz havent made a single move that has signaled they are desperate to bottom out at the expense of talent.

They let Dunn walk for a second round pick swap and would trade either JC in a minute if they didn't have to pay something for the right to do so. They punted on using FA dollars for anything other than journeymen and washed vets. lol. Desperate no... but if they got a good enough offer that normally they would pass up... I could see them taking it in an effort to drop a few extra games.

 

[KqWIN]

He's our 3rd most impactful player. Going from 25-30 minutes of Walker to 20 minutes of Eubanks+Flip (with Collins picking up the extra minutes) is fairly significant imo.

Not sure how much weight to give it in this evaluation but it would certainly be part of the motivation.

I agree that Kessler punches above his weight as far as wins go and that this should be a part of the consideration, but I highly doubt the FO is gonna take a bad deal to get worse. I don't think there focused on tanking nearly as much as we are here....for example, everyone said we shouldn't trade Lauri because we can tank by trading Sexton/Kessler. That ain't happening right now.

Ainge has obviously pivoted to tanking two years in a row, but he's waited until the last second to (presumably) get the best deal. He can always change his strategy, but if he keep his strategy consistent he won't do those tanking trades until the last second even if it loses lotto balls.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

They let Dunn walk for a second round pick swap and would trade either JC in a minute if they didn't have to pay something for the right to do so. They punted on using FA dollars for anything other than journeymen and washed vets. lol. Desperate no... but if they got a good enough offer that normally they would pass up... I could see them taking it in an effort to drop a few extra games.

Dunn is not talent.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I agree that Kessler punches above his weight as far as wins go and that this should be a part of the consideration, but I highly doubt the FO is gonna take a bad deal to get worse. I don't think there focused on tanking nearly as much as we are here....for example, everyone said we shouldn't trade Lauri because we can tank by trading Sexton/Kessler. That ain't happening right now.

Ainge has obviously pivoted to tanking two years in a row, but he's waited until the last second to (presumably) get the best deal. He can always change his strategy, but if he keep his strategy consistent he won't do those tanking trades until the last second even if it loses lotto balls.

I'm not saying take a bad deal. If there was something that was fair or close to what they think his value is but maybe not the normal Ainge "Make Me Move" price.