Predict the Rudy Gobert trade

[Handlogten's Heros]

Vucevic's primary value is as an expiring contract, imo. He could factor into a Gobert trade, but I think a three-team scenario is more likely.

I think he's still a good NBA center. He's just a tough fit and a guy that's better for a team trying to win 40 games. I don't know where you'd be able to flip him. He might have more value at the trade deadline for a team that needs a replacement for an injured player or that is looking for cap relief. He could also shoot it better and increase his value during the season.

 

[KqWIN]

Also, if CHI is truly interested don't rule out a S&T possibility with Lavine....even if the Jazz are not the team getting Lavine in return.

 

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If they did that deal I think Williams is the headliner not Vooch. You are trying to get a guy with potential and can grow with Donovan... it also gives you a guy to help start the rebuild if Donovan asks out... so its kind of splitting the baby a bit between "win-now" and "rebuild".

It would also be dependent on what else we can sneak in. Maybe they won't offer up the pick or Ayo. In that case its less enticing.

I just think we can do better in a Gobert trade. I like the pieces Toronto, Charlotte, and probably even Atlanta have to offer a lot more than I like Chicago's pieces.

 

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[LoPo]

I think he's still a good NBA center. He's just a tough fit and a guy that's better for a team trying to win 40 games. I don't know where you'd be able to flip him. He might have more value at the trade deadline for a team that needs a replacement for an injured player or that is looking for cap relief. He could also shoot it better and increase his value during the season.

If we added a guy like Vuc and then another guy like Plumlee or even Capela or an undersized C with good switching defense, I think we would be fine at C.

Vuc played 33mpg this year scoring 17.6ppg. If we could play him 25-30mpg, we could get some really good basketball out of him.



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[Handlogten's Heros]

I don't think the CHI deal is terrible if we must trade Gobert. Williams is a decent prize. I'm not particularly high on him, but I like him a lot more than a 2026 protected first round pick or something along those lines. I'm not high on Coby White, but he's not a bad add in. I would prefer to have #18 instead, but might be rich depending on the deal.

I actually think Vuc's value is down and not a bad time to be a buyer. He is expiring which has value, but I'd actually try to give him a one year extension. My theory is that he has a really good numbers year with the Jazz, Don demands out, and we can trade him with a year left on his deal the following summer. He was just traded for Wendell Carter Jr and two first round picks, the first of which was really good. I don't think he will ever have that value again, but if he's putting up 20/10 again some team will bite. He's more than just an expiring contract IMO.

I'd be interested in seeing if there's interest in adding Conley, Clarkson, Bogey etc. to see if CHI might be willing to part ways with Lonzo. His health situation looks very bad, but that is a risk the Jazz should be more tolerable to than the Bulls in this scenario.

I don't think White fits their future plans... I think he's an easy add in that scenario. I'd want White and #18 or Ayo if they prefer.

Agree on Vuc but I would not extend him. His bird rights have better value imo. I think with extension rules he'd be anchored to +-20% of his current number. So it'd have to be like 17M-26M range. I think I'd take the wait and see mode and either do a sign and trade with him or re-sign him at the end of the year.

 

[LoPo]

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I think Tony Jones just says stuff to say stuff to have an opinion on something.

Vuc makes Conley money on an expiring deal. It ain't like he's got some bad deal or can't play.

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[NUMBERICA]

I’m less interested in the potential of Patrick Williams than I am in Ayo already being a good player (would’ve been happy to draft him last year; this organization seems allergic to drafting the exact types of players we need).

Would most prefer to re-route Vuc, get Ayo, ‘23 unprotected (if they even have the pick), #18 this year (or Williams). I honestly don’t think that’s asking too much.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I just think we can do better in a Gobert trade. I like the pieces Toronto, Charlotte, and probably even Atlanta have to offer a lot more than I like Chicago's pieces.

Depends on what is really on the table... the Toronto deal I am very skeptical of actually being offered. If you listen to the beat people around the Raps the OG offers being thrown out were mocked. It would also have to include Trent Jr. who is their best shooter.

Charlotte for Hayward, washington, 13 and 15 was always my favorite. If it was Rozier, 13, 15, Plumlee its okayish and likely better than the Vooch deal... if its Hayward, 13, and 15 is it better than the Bulls offer?

Atlanta I think the highest they go is Collins and Capela. That is likely the best win now option. The most current rumors are Hunter and Capela. Hunter isn't good... his numbers are okay but he's an average defender and some assume he's good... he's not. Maybe he can be.

I think it all depends on the extras in these deals. If it is straight Vooch+Williams, that ain't enough. Vooch, Williams, #18 works for me. Vooch is just a really bad fit here... you may find something else in a three team deal because I do think he has value.

 

[KqWIN]

I don't think White fits their future plans... I think he's an easy add in that scenario. I'd want White and #18 or Ayo if they prefer.

Agree on Vuc but I would not extend him. His bird rights have better value imo. I think with extension rules he'd be anchored to +-20% of his current number. So it'd have to be like 17M-26M range. I think I'd take the wait and see mode and either do a sign and trade with him or re-sign him at the end of the year.

I just find it difficult to see Vuc being traded at the deadline. And if you don't trade him at the first deadline, you run the risk of losing him for nothing. Doing a S&T with an unrestricted FA is difficult. Every team thinks they can do that, but it rarely happens.

You might regret giving him one year, but at the end of the day you're just rolling over the expiring contract value one more year. It's not like we're going to use our cap space to sign players anyways. What you want to avoid is if Vuc has a good year, Don demands out, then Vuc walks for nothing. I think the first two steps are actually fairly likely. I think Vuc will have a better year next year, and Don will also demand out after a likely play in finish. In that scenario I'd much rather prefer to have Vuc with one more year left than an UFA.

In the other scenario where Vuc totally bombs and that last year looks ugly....he still has that value as an expiring contract, which is not quite as good as pure cap (would we even be below the cap?), but not the worst thing ever.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Also, if CHI is truly interested don't rule out a S&T possibility with Lavine....even if the Jazz are not the team getting Lavine in return.

One thing to note... we likely won't receive a player that is S&T because it would hard cap us. In this scenario you are not saying that... just thought I'd mention it since we are often throwing deals around that include us getting a player who is signed and traded.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I’m less interested in the potential of Patrick Williams than I am in Ayo already being a good player (would’ve been happy to draft him last year; this organization seems allergic to drafting the exact types of players we need).

Would most prefer to re-route Vuc, get Ayo, ‘23 unprotected (if they even have the pick), #18 this year (or Williams). I honestly don’t think that’s asking too much.

I think you are underselling Pat a bit here. IF he develops then he is the type of player that is like the most sought after thing int he NBA. He's already a solid rotation player and just had the worst injury luck this season. If I was betting on a guy to "blow up" he'd be one of the guys I'd bet on.