Predict the Rudy Gobert trade

[NUMBERICA]

The point is trading Rudy likely gets us back in the lottery vs keeping him and being a play-in team.

If the Jazz are in the lottery you can start calling that a rebuild. Donovan’s gonna wanna stick around for that ****? I’m not even casting shade about that, he SHOULDN’T want to stick around for that.

This is all just dragging out the inevitable and losing opportunity to rebound stronger and faster along the way.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

You are making so many assumptions based off of negative feelings. We can just agree to disagree.

The front office agrees with me though. As long as Don wants to be here, you build around him.

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Not based off feelings at all... Its based on watching the league for 30+ years and predicting an outcome based on facts. Its pretty clear to see how this will play out... maybe all the assets hold their value and we just spin our wheels for a year... the upside is almost non-existent.

I give zero ***** on who the front office agrees with... the front office agreed Udoka was a better pick than Bane (who I planted a flag on at the time... zero hindsight). I've always said to folks I talk with I wouldn't be the best GM in the league... but I could be average by simply not making dumb eff ups.

Pandering to one player to keep him there is a dumb eff up... the only real question imo is how big of an eff up will it be?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

If the Jazz are in the lottery you can start calling that a rebuild. Donovan’s gonna wanna stick around for that ****? I’m not even casting shade about that, he SHOULDN’T want to stick around for that.

This is all just dragging out the inevitable and losing opportunity to rebound stronger and faster along the way.

And like if we had a couple young guys developing already... and could add whatever we get in a Rudy trade... I think you could make the case that there is a decent chance it could work so by all means lets prolong a bit. We have nothing coming up... and everything is declining... the level of difficulty is pretty extreme.

 

[LoPo]

Not based off feelings at all... Its based on watching the league for 30+ years and predicting an outcome based on facts. Its pretty clear to see how this will play out... maybe all the assets hold their value and we just spin our wheels for a year... the upside is almost non-existent.

I give zero ***** on who the front office agrees with... the front office agreed Udoka was a better pick than Bane (who I planted a flag on at the time... zero hindsight). I've always said to folks I talk with I wouldn't be the best GM in the league... but I could be average by simply not making dumb eff ups.

Pandering to one player to keep him there is a dumb eff up... the only real question imo is how big of an eff up will it be?

You give too much credit to Rudy Gobert. We are a good team with him and can be a good team without him.

We have had C+ to B- level coaching. So much relies on coaching. We get a good one, and we will be fine.

It's not pandering to Don to move past mediocrity to maybe something better.


Tanking is for losers.

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[Handlogten's Heros]

I kind of think we end up keeping Rudy and Donovan this year... which will make some people's head explode. I don't think the way TJ and others are talking that we want to take even a half a step back and any trade with Rudy is almost certainly doing that unless a team gets wild dumb with an offer or you get a pick in the deal and hit on a Haliburton/Donovan/Herro/SGA type of level.

Maybe a new coach figures it out... maybe they miraculously move Bogey or Mike for a big difference maker... or maybe its a miserable year with all sorts of passive aggressive bull **** and rumors about where guys want to be.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

You give too much credit to Rudy Gobert. We are a good team with him and can be a good team without him.

We have had C+ to B- level coaching. So much relies on coaching. We get a good one, and we will be fine.

It's not pandering to Don to move past mediocrity to maybe something better.


Tanking is for losers.

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Moving past mediocrity is not how we will pander to Don. What we do to keep him happy is what you should worry about. There are a few things that are recipes for disaster in the NBA... doing moves to keep a player happy is one of them.

You don't give Rudy enough credit. Part of me wants us to move him so everyone can see how good he was.

Don't call me a loser or a clown... just don't. If you have followed the history of the league you know that tanking is not for losers at all... many of the teams that have won at the highest levels tanked or bottomed out is a better word for it. Boston sold off all their vets for picks and tanked the Jabari year... how's that working out for them? GS tanked too... they losers? How about the Spurs dynasty? Tanking/bottoming out is simply part of the NBA cycle of life... fight it and you become the Kings and Wizards... embrace it and you could win a title (no guarantees of course).

 

[Cptgrnlngs22]

If that is the case will Donovan be happy and want to stick around beyond next year? If not what is the point of keeping Don and getting the 9/10th pick instead of getting a top 5 pick and giving yourself a chance at getting Wemby? Also cash in on Donovan's value now which reduces risk of him becoming a damaged asset?

The Rudy trade means you become Wizards West, which is fine if Donovan will allow you 2-3 years to retool. Donovan is extension eligible next year and if he refuses an extension you are playing with fire and backing yourself into a corner. Trade him now and you punt that decision to whatever team acquires him and you will have more bidders than just his preferred list.

I just think it is so clear what we should do... (I know, I know Ryan doesn't want to do it... doesn't mean its not the obvious right path).

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[LoPo]

Moving past mediocrity is not how we will pander to Don. What we do to keep him happy is what you should worry about. There are a few things that are recipes for disaster in the NBA... doing moves to keep a player happy is one of them.

You don't give Rudy enough credit. Part of me wants us to move him so everyone can see how good he was.

Don't call me a loser or a clown... just don't. If you have followed the history of the league you know that tanking is not for losers at all... many of the teams that have won at the highest levels tanked or bottomed out is a better word for it. Boston sold off all their vets for picks and tanked the Jabari year... how's that working out for them? GS tanked too... they losers? How about the Spurs dynasty? Tanking/bottoming out is simply part of the NBA cycle of life... fight it and you become the Kings and Wizards... embrace it and you could win a title (no guarantees of course).

Teams tank when they are close to rock bottom anyway. We are nowhere near rock bottom.

Trading our TWO ALL STARS and even our career achievement ALL STAR and Bojan to tank is ridiculous.

We need a better coach who coaches modern day basketball. We could keep Don and Rudy or trade Rudy. Going scorched earth is dumb. There is zero reason to do that at this time.


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[LoPo]

5-6 years ago nobody wanted to trade Hayward because they were afraid what we would turn into without him.

Now we have a player better than Hayward, and we want to trade him so we can tank.

This fanbase is all over the place. Reality is that teams don't trade guys like Donovan when they are 25. Dame stays. Curry stays (remember people argued trading him back when he was about Don's age), Beal stays.


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[Hearsky]

Teams tank when they are close to rock bottom anyway. We are nowhere near rock bottom.

Trading our TWO ALL STARS and even our career achievement ALL STAR and Bojan to tank is ridiculous.

We need a better coach who coaches modern day basketball. We could keep Don and Rudy or trade Rudy. Going scorched earth is dumb. There is zero reason to do that at this time.


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Do you think Donovan's horrible defense is the result of bad coaching?

 

[LoPo]

Do you think Donovan's horrible defense is the result of bad coaching?

Probably due to a stupid system which has taught him to let perimeter players funnel to Rudy.

He has defended fine before and he will again. I look forward to playing modern day basketball again.

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[Miggs]

My bigger question is is there any chance Quin falls off the wagon and goes on a 72 hour bender with hookers and coke.