Pres. Of Baskettball Operations Says Interesting Things About Draft, Tomic, and Neto...

[ema]

He's definitely better than both Evans and Williams but I don't think Favors/Tomic would be a better duo than Favors/Kanter. I have high hopes for Gobert too, I really don't think Tomic is worth to ditch Kanter or waste Gobert's minutes. Plus the smallest role that Tomic would demand is the third big/main bench big, because he is the main big in one of the best teams in Europe. Maybe only if we let go both Marvin and Evans it might be suitable.

Like maybe,,

Kanter 30 mins
Favors 32 mins
Tomic 20 mins
Gobert 14 mins

Still, looks problematic to me though. I don't believe Tomic would be up for only 20 mins, and 14 mins isn't good for Gobert to me. And anything under 30 mins for Favors/Kanter would make me a Lakers fan anymore. However, Tomic would be a good trade asset for us with teams that need decent rotational offensive big man with length(until they realize that Tomic doesn't play up to his size).

I'm ok with that line of thinking but, the thing is with Gobert, you can actually keep him in play longer without sacrificing too much since he's already a very decent defender, meaning we can really develop him and develop him fast, after all it's gonna be a rebuilding year again, right? My preference would be 18-22 mins for Gobert and the filler big to fill the remaining 12-16 mins. Of course there will always be also a fifth big in the team to keep just in case a la Biedrins or a SF that can occupy some PF mins so the mins will be even more scarce to distribute among the bigs sometimes.

And one another thing I just noticed is the PF shortage in Tomic's presence with our young bigs. Out of Favors/Kanter/Gobert/Tomic, the only one who would be able to play as close to a PF is Favors. Gobert and Tomic can't play PF in no way and Kanter can play it only offensively. So if those four players are in the roster, a fifth big man has to clog a considerable amount of time at PF position.

I think it can only work, in the case of a Kanter trade like Vermin suggests, or the sacrificing of Gobert completely. If we can get a worthy asset/assets in return of a Kanter trade, it might be thinkable. Otherwise I can't see a reason to give up on Gobert, unless he could be a part in an irrefutable trade also.

I got tired of writing about Tomic. Just bring him over. I want to see people to see with their own eyes that how he's not a better defender than Kanter, how he can't jump even a fourth of Kanter can, how he cannot play upto his great length and size, how he cannot block a lick, how he's not a better rebounder than Kanter and how his smart offensive play is not much better than Kanter's brainless raw offense.

I like Tomic as a player because I like polished finesse players always but it just annoys me that people claim that he is much better than Kanter while it's obvious that they are only pretending to know about Tomic.

 

[Ron Mexico]

I got tired of writing about Tomic. Just bring him over. I want to see people to see with their own eyes that how he's not a better defender than Kanter, how he can't jump even a fourth of Kanter can, how he cannot play upto his great length and size, how he cannot block a lick, how he's not a better rebounder than Kanter and how his smart offensive play is not much better than Kanter's brainless raw offense.

I like Tomic as a player because I like polished finesse players always but it just annoys me that people claim that he is much better than Kanter while it's obvious that they are only pretending to know about Tomic.

Even if he is not better than Kanter this is a good year to bring him over. We have lots of cap space and can overpay him this year to see what he is in the NBA. As far as replacing Kanter that seems a bit much. You should not bring him over to start him, bring him over to get decent minutes off the bench.

 

[fishonjazz]

Kanter is the new CJ Miles. Lol.

Some of us don't really like. Others of you think "if he could only get minutes, he'd be an all star."

Lol

I dont think there are many who think he will be a star.
I think the majority feel the way i do..... which that i dont pretend to know how good he will be but im not ready to call him garbage and give up on him since he is a very inexperienced 21 year old who has yet to get major minutes on a team trying to win with a quality coach.

The jazz dont get 3rd overall picks every year so forgive me for not giving up on kanter before his rookie contract is even up.

Some people want to call kanter garbage and turn around and say that jabari is a sure thing all star player.

I will wait to judge kanter for at least one more year.

 

[fishonjazz]

Jazz brings up another point: who wants to pay Kanter Boozer money? Unreal. Get rid of him. He's a nice player. Nothing ore.

Kanter is still under his rookie contract next year. No need to worry about boozer money yet

 

[Deleted member 848]

Let me play diary queen for a minute:

I agree with what you're saying here, but we all need to recognize that franklin was saying this stuff a while ago and getting killed for it.

More Pulitzer material from NAOS, soon after complaining about the trend of Jazzfanz-malaise.

Making an assessment after three years isn't "quickly". You can do that rather accurately with most players.

It isn't quick, but it isn't definitive either. Kanter is still quite unpredictable in terms of fans being able to predict the trajectory of his development. Him coming in great shape this coming season (which has happened once already) could be huge for his development.

I still believe in Kanter, but the dude has to come to camp in super shape this year. I know last year he had the whole shoulder injury deal, but still his lack of conditioning was alarming.

And say what you want about Richard Jefferson, but his end of season interview was eye opening when he said Kanter didn't believe defense was that important.

all of this. I only started contemplating trading Kanter when the 5th pick slotted us with Vonleh.

 

[Deleted member 848]

I dont think there are many who think he will be a star.
I think the majority feel the way i do..... which that i dont pretend to know how good he will be but im not ready to call him garbage and give up on him since he is a very inexperienced 21 year old who has yet to get major minutes on a team trying to win with a quality coach.

The jazz dont get 3rd overall picks every year so forgive me for not giving up on kanter before his rookie contract is even up.

Some people want to call kanter garbage and turn around and say that jabari is a sure thing all star player.

I will wait to judge kanter for at least one more year.

the only thing that gives me hope with Kanter is that it feels like his game has regressed due to him being out of shape. I'm expecting his rebounding and defense to improve.


What worries me, is his offensive BBIQ. There's really been minimal improvement on that front since his first year. 27mpg over the course of a season ain't bad either. Hopefully this area is an area of improvement for him next season.

 

[ema]

Even if he is not better than Kanter this is a good year to bring him over. We have lots of cap space and can overpay him this year to see what he is in the NBA. As far as replacing Kanter that seems a bit much. You should not bring him over to start him, bring him over to get decent minutes off the bench.

That's fair enough. As a matter of fact, I would not be opposed to that idea if we didn't have Gobert and if I could believe that Tomic would be OK with modest playing time. But I'm pretty high on Gobert and want this year to be a better rebuilding year that the youngs get full chances than the previous pointless seasons.

Trade Kanter and picks for a PG(pick or a current one), draft a PF(ie Vonleh), make sure that Gobert will have his minutes and chance to develope and improve and bring Tomic over to be the 2nd/3rd big. Now that's a legit plan. Very good FC with Favors/Tomic/Vonleh/Gobert. You have length and defense in Gobert and Favors, stretching the offense with Vonleh and finesse play with Tomic. So do it in a fashion.

But just don't ruin the front court with purposeless crowd and don't pretend that Tomic is better than Kanter without knowing anything about his game.

 

[r_u_s_t_b_u_c_k_e_t]

The jazz dont get 3rd overall picks every year so forgive me for not giving up on kanter before his rookie contract is even up.

Some people want to call kanter garbage and turn around and say that jabari is a sure thing all star player.

I will wait to judge kanter for at least one more year.

You have to give something to get something. Kanter is an asset and we could cash him in for something potentially better.

How about Kanter, our pick, and the future GSW pick to Milwaukee for the #2 pick? Assuming Tomic would never consider coming here if both Favors and Kanter were on the team, we'd be clearing the way for him. From our perspective the trade would be:

Jazz receive: Parker/Wiggins and Tomic
Bucks receive: Kanter (Sanders insurance), their choice of PG (Exum or Smart), and the future pick

Our starting lineup:

Burke
Hayward
Parker/Wiggins
Tomic
Favors

Sure, our bench would be thin but isn't that still progress?

 

[Deleted member 848]

That's fair enough. As a matter of fact, I would not be opposed to that idea if we didn't have Gobert and if I could believe that Tomic would be OK with modest playing time. But I'm pretty high on Gobert and want this year to be a better rebuilding year that the youngs get full chances than the previous pointless seasons.

Trade Kanter and picks for a PG(pick or a current one), draft a PF(ie Vonleh), make sure that Gobert will have his minutes and chance to develope and improve and bring Tomic over to be the 2nd/3rd big. Now that's a legit plan. Very good FC with Favors/Tomic/Vonleh/Gobert. You have length and defense in Gobert and Favors, stretching the offense with Vonleh and finesse play with Tomic. So do it in a fashion.

But just don't ruin the front court with purposeless crowd and don't pretend that Tomic is better than Kanter without knowing anything about his game.

Spectacular post.

 

[green]

I dont think there are many who think he will be a star.
I think the majority feel the way i do..... which that i dont pretend to know how good he will be but im not ready to call him garbage and give up on him since he is a very inexperienced 21 year old who has yet to get major minutes on a team trying to win with a quality coach.

The jazz dont get 3rd overall picks every year so forgive me for not giving up on kanter before his rookie contract is even up.

Some people want to call kanter garbage and turn around and say that jabari is a sure thing all star player.

I will wait to judge kanter for at least one more year.

Look at how pathetic our picks have been:

Burke - 9th pick
Hayward - 9th pick
Favors - 3rd pick
Kanter - 3rd pick.

Has any team had four top ten picks in a four year span and not have ONE even be in the All-Star discussion? That is what I'd be interested to hear. Then I hear people say that they don't want to give up on one-two of these guys so we can draft Gordon?

Wow. That just sucks. Sorry.

At least Cleveland drafted an All-Star in all of their ineptitude. We can't even do that.

But, but, NEXT year! They will break out once Deron is gone...Al is gone...Millsap is gone...Corbin is gone....

It's always everyone's fault but the player's, right?

 

[green]

Kanter is still under his rookie contract next year. No need to worry about boozer money yet

So, you keep Kanter, let him play out his rookie contract, and now he is a young big averaging 15 and 8. You'd be lucky to keep him for Boozer money. The question is, with all the bitching that went on when Boozer was here, then Al, and we all want to keep Kanter? When we ran two better players out of town for NOTHING?

Why not move Kanter now, when he is worth something, then waiting for next year when you will have to either, let him walk for nothing, or overpay him to keep him?

The guy played 28 minutes a night this last year. What did he do that made you feel that he is the future?

He is a poor, poor man's Al, not even in the stratosphere of Boozer, and yet we want to give him the same money as those two?

I just don't get it. Not one bit.

Look at Kanter's numbers vs Boozer's their third years:

12 pts, 7 rebs, 49% fg, 73% ft
18 pts, 9 rebs, 52% fg, 70% ft

Kanter isn't as good. He won't be as good as Boozer. Ever. Yet, we won't part with him to get a top 3 pick? Especially when he won't be as good as Boozer, and we all couldn't wait for Boozer to leave? Crazy.

But, but, but, but...

No thanks.

 

[Doublea]

Look at how pathetic our picks have been:

Burke - 9th pick
Hayward - 9th pick
Favors - 3rd pick
Kanter - 3rd pick.

Has any team had four top ten picks in a four year span and not have ONE even be in the All-Star discussion? That is what I'd be interested to hear. Then I hear people say that they don't want to give up on one-two of these guys so we can draft Gordon?

Wow. That just sucks. Sorry.

At least Cleveland drafted an All-Star in all of their ineptitude. We can't even do that.

But, but, NEXT year! They will break out once Deron is gone...Al is gone...Millsap is gone...Corbin is gone....

It's always everyone's fault but the player's, right?

Those picks could have been a lot worse.