Pres. Of Baskettball Operations Says Interesting Things About Draft, Tomic, and Neto...

[GVC]

https://saltcityhoops.com/how-the-jazz-spent-their-summer-vacation-at-p3-part-2/


I remember seeing something else last year, with more detail, but I am having trouble finding it on Google.



Also, on the Kanter topic, P3 had some very nice things to say about Kanter and the kind of work ethic he has,

Not to be a dick, but I'll go with actual unbiased measurements and what I see watching games over reports from a company paid to improve players' athletic performance. HUGE conflict of interest. Do you think Gordo is an above average athlete at the 2?

 

[Sexual Favors]

^^
And yet, after all these years at P3, the Jazz players still can't shoot or defend. Guess I'm old school, but I remember the days when the Jazz were always among the leaders in team FG%. You don't need to jump out of the gym to make a lay-up, which scores just as many points as a highlight dunk. And rebounding is generally about positioning, not an extra 2" on someone's vertical. These players would be better off just shooting thousands of shots per day like the old-timers used to do.

While I agree that shooting isn't valued nearly as much as it should be. I will also point out that having superior athleticism in today's NBA is how you get to where you want to be on the court to get your shot off in open space. The game is so quick. With the 3 being integral now, there is also a lot of space on the court to be covered, so the faster and more explosive players can get to the bucket quicker for high percentage shots, and also get out to the 3 to guard their man. Athleticism is a must in the now spread out half court set.

Shooting should always be a must though as well. I miss Horny. I think our team really needs a shooting coach, not just an assistant who knows proper form. Horny was perfect, and he obviously helped our players when he was here. He could work them through the intricacies of their particular shooting motion, and also helped to correct slight deviations that the regular assistant development guy might look over.hayward said he helped him a lot, and he obviously shot better when he was here.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Not to be a dick, but I'll go with actual unbiased measurements and what I see watching games over reports from a company paid to improve players' athletic performance. HUGE conflict of interest. Do you think Gordo is an above average athlete at the 2?

Agree. Jazz have certainly bought into the P3 hype. But has it really translated into significant improvement on the BASKETBALL court? And specifically, is there evidence that this improvement is better than what one could expect by just working out and playing pickup games against other pros, like so many other players do.

 

[Sexual Favors]

Not to be a dick, but I'll go with actual unbiased measurements and what I see watching games over reports from a company paid to improve players' athletic performance. HUGE conflict of interest. Do you think Gordo is an above average athlete at the 2?

I will acknowledge the conflict of interest, but you did ask for the P3 info I was referencing. Now it isn't good enough?

Could it be that the combine testing was a fluke? The kid was a very good high school tennis player, almost played that in college. Tennis players live and die by their lateral quickness.

As for him being elite athletically at the 2. When he came in to the league? Probably middle of the pack. Now? Yes. Easily. He is now able to explode past his man and to the rim in halfcourt sets pretty often. He used to need the break, or the ball swung to him on the weakside when his defender was slacking. Now, he just needs to step past his opponent and a little lane.

Young players can get faster and stronger. Hayward is living proof.

 

[Shad]

When are we going to have Tomic filtered as a bad word? The dude is never coming over here so stop talking about him

 

[Sexual Favors]

Agree. Jazz have certainly bought into the P3 hype. But has it really translated into significant improvement on the BASKETBALL court? And specifically, is there evidence that this improvement is better than what one could expect by just working out and playing pickup games against other pros, like so many other players do.

Don't be silly. They don't spend their entire summer there. They go at the end of the season, and then again before training camp. The rest of the time is for pickup games etc. Jazz even held an open gym to foster in house pickup games last year. Basketball is more than basketball.

Don't let the 13-14 season fool you. Our players are developing. New roles against better competition, w/ no significant vet support and bad schemes wouldn't make anyone look good.

 

[fishonjazz]

I think the same can be said of every player on the roster.

I agree.
A tanking season with a coach that knows he is gone is not a good season to judge players. (Which is mostly my point)

Add in kanters age/experienced combined with a major injury setting him back and its a horrible time to judge him and sell low

 

[Sexual Favors]

When are we going to have Tomic filtered as a bad word? The dude is never coming over here so stop talking about him

Is Tomic the new Santorum?

 

[GVC]

Easy way to know if its true or not.

Can you give me an example of amothe basketball player who started playing bball at 16, was not allowed to play college ball, was drafted by a team with a rookie coach, had a major injury at the end his second season and was unable to train properly in the offseason between his 2nd and 3rd year, then had his role and minute change a bunch over the course of his 3rd year, and was playing for a tanking team with a lame duck coach on his way out?

If you cant, then there is a good chance that it is unprecedented.

So...because every player faces unique circumstances, any information we have about players is completely useless in predicting future outcomes?

yes i think we will know more about kanter after next year than we do right now

Maybe try to be constructive instead of pedantic. Your next substantive post will be your first. ****ing terrible that Jazzfanz has been overrun by trolls.

 

[fishonjazz]

So...because every player faces unique circumstances, any information we have about players is completely useless in predicting future outcomes?

You said its not unprecidented.
If there is a precident for kanters situation do tell.....

 

[fishonjazz]

Maybe try to be constructive instead of pedantic. Your next substantive post will be your first. ****ing terrible that Jazzfanz has been overrun by trolls.

You asked if a coaching change and another year of experience is a better indicator of kanters future than last season.

I answered in the affirmative.

So you ask a question..... someone answers.... you dont like the answer..... you act like a douche.

Rinse and repeat

 

[Sexual Favors]

I love this site, and it's posters. But one very annoying thing is how people call other people trolls just because they are unwilling to open their own minds and consider another's viewpoint.