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Preseason Game #2: OKC at UTAH

Cyrone Torbin said:
I'm laughing at the people who haven't even seen Jonas play a NBA season yet and make stupid comments.
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You mean kind of like everyone does every year with rookies?
Kind of like you did last year with kanter? Weren't you the one always saying jonas is better than kanter before you had even seen either one of them play an nba game.....
 
fishonjazz said:
You mean kind of like everyone does every year with rookies?
Kind of like you did last year with kanter? Weren't you the one always saying jonas is better than kanter before you had even seen either one of them play an nba game.....
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There is a difference because you are taking to unknowns (especially with two European players) and speculating about their future when you do the pre-draft comparisons. All there is to evaluate off of is pure opinion and speculation.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
There is a difference because you are taking to unknowns (especially with two European players) and speculating about their future when you do the pre-draft comparisons. All there is to evaluate off of is pure opinion and speculation.
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So what were you basing your opinions of Kanter on, pre-draft?
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
I'm laughing at the people who haven't even seen Jonas play a NBA season yet and make stupid comments.
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So someone speculated at how good or bad jonas will be after seeing him in only 2 pre-season nba games and you laugh at them and call thier comments stupid.
Yet you posted hundreds of times in a draft thread hundreds of pages long that was created for speculating about how good or bad guys will be who hadn't even played a single pre-season game.
And even speculated on how good some high school players would be who we have never seen play (shabazz, jabari)

Alot of us have seen jonas play alot of times. I know i have seen him play about 10 times which is as much as i see most college players play outside of byu guys
 
PKM said:
So what were you basing your opinions of Kanter on, pre-draft?
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Exactly, we had 2 unknowns, so I was basing off of things I had read and (limited) things I had see on both players. I wish they had both come into the league the same year, because it would be fun to compare them, but right now Kanter has a year head start, and it will probably take Jonas year to adjust, just like it took Kanter.
 
^^ True

But your comment that people speculating on jonas this early being stupid comments is hardly fair.
We all judge people way too early.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Exactly, we had 2 unknowns, so I was basing off of things I had read and (limited) things I had see on both players. I wish they had both come into the league the same year, because it would be fun to compare them, but right now Kanter has a year head start, and it will probably take Jonas year to adjust, just like it took Kanter.
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One of us is confused about your rules of scouting.
 
PKM said:
Your point is valid and you're being nice about it. Much classier than I am.
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Only being "classy" because i know how stupid alot of my speculation have been.

Haywards draft year i wanted hasaan whiteside, then greg monroe, henry, babbit, george, and aldrich all before hayward. (and probably some others i have forgotten.)
Imagine if we would have done what i wanted and drafted whiteside or aldrich or something instead of hayward.
Im wrong way more than im right. (though last year i would have taken burks at #4 overall if i could have, and i still think i will end up being correct on him if he gets to play)
 
fishonjazz said:
Only being "classy" because i know how stupid alot of my speculation have been.

Haywards draft year i wanted hasaan whiteside, then greg monroe, henry, babbit, george, and aldrich all before hayward. (and probably some others i have forgotten.)
Imagine if we would have done what i wanted and drafted whiteside or aldrich or something instead of hayward.
Im wrong way more than im right. (though last year i would have taken burks at #4 overall if i could have, and i still think i will end up being correct on him if he gets to play)
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I was wrong about Hayward. I wanted Henry (and others but they were taken earlier).
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
I am probably too.
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In case you're still confused, I am simply saying it's pretty funny that you're calling people out for judging Jonas so early yet you judged Kanter even earlier.
If you're calling yourself stupid, then I'm cool with that .. just pointing out your inconsistencies/agenda?
 
PKM said:
In case you're still confused, I am simply saying it's pretty funny that you're calling people out for judging Jonas so early yet you judged Kanter even earlier.
If you're calling yourself stupid, then I'm cool with that .. just pointing out your inconsistencies/agenda?
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Watch out bro, I'm very sensitive.

I wasn't say you can't judge one player, I just don't think it's fair to say "Oh, I'm glad we didn't draft Jonas over Kanter" this early like it is to say about Hayward over Aldrich, Aminu, Henry, etc.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Watch out bro, I'm very sensitive.

I wasn't say you can't judge one player, I just don't think it's fair to say "Oh, I'm glad we didn't draft Jonas over Kanter" this early like it is to say about Hayward over Aldrich, Aminu, Henry, etc.
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I still love you and your scouting skillz are off the charts!!!
 
I think this is what were doing here...

Haywards draft year, my big board was George, Aldrich, Babbitt, Henry when our pick came up. I was so distraught when we picked Hayward I turned off the draft lol.

Kanter draft, I wanted Derrick Williams to fall to us soooo bad. Was way bummed when Minny took him, but after that I wanted Kanter.

Now you guys know.
 
^^^ I wanted williams to fall to us also, and had kanter 3rd as well.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
There is a difference because you are taking to unknowns (especially with two European players) and speculating about their future when you do the pre-draft comparisons. All there is to evaluate off of is pure opinion and speculation.
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Yeah. I hate how you're required by law to have an opinion on everything.

Thanks a lot Obama!
 
UGLI baby said:
I think this is what were doing here...

Haywards draft year, my big board was George, Aldrich, Babbitt, Henry when our pick came up. I was so distraught when we picked Hayward I turned off the draft lol.

Kanter draft, I wanted Derrick Williams to fall to us soooo bad. Was way bummed when Minny took him, but after that I wanted Kanter.

Now you guys know.
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****, dude, we think alike. In 2010, I wanted Ed Davis or Xavier Henry, and was PISSED when the Jazz picked Hayward. Almost took up praying for Derrick Williams to slip to 3 in 2011.
 
GVC said:
****, dude, we think alike. In 2010, I wanted Ed Davis or Xavier Henry, and was PISSED when the Jazz picked Hayward. Almost took up praying for Derrick Williams to slip to 3 in 2011.
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The difference between us being that I thought Davis was the suck. I remember billyshelby's Ed Davis love was off the charts.
 
fishonjazz said:
Only being "classy" because i know how stupid alot of my speculation have been.

Haywards draft year i wanted hasaan whiteside, then greg monroe, henry, babbit, george, and aldrich all before hayward. (and probably some others i have forgotten.)
Imagine if we would have done what i wanted and drafted whiteside or aldrich or something instead of hayward.
Im wrong way more than im right. (though last year i would have taken burks at #4 overall if i could have, and i still think i will end up being correct on him if he gets to play)
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You're not alone, fish. Hayward was not on my radar at all. Monroe was my choice had he slid, and I was also high on George and Henry. I thought the Jazz could trade down and pick up Whiteside as an intriguing prospect. I didn't like Aldrich. I saw him just getting shot after shot blocked from behind with that funky way he brought the ball behind his head.
 
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