Presti discuss about our young bigs at Harden Trade
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We could have traded our young bigs and get to see Harden and Al fight for black hole status, no?
AKistheFEARFACTOR
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I think it would difficult for the Jazz and Thunder to trade within the division. I would hate to play against a fiery Favors or Kanter 4 times a year and vice versa for Harden.
orangello
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True. I like Harden but I have not given up on Kanter or Favors yet. Just say no to that trade.
Hedda Gambler
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So Millsap for Perkins and Lamb or the Toronto pick is coming up, then?
Wow! That's exactly what I got out of this thread too.
Stifle Tower
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OKC traded Harden because he was demanding the MAX, which is reportedly what Houston has agreed to pay him. Harden is very good, but is he a superstar worth a MAX contract?
Look what happened to Atlanta with the contract they awarded to Joe Johnson. OKC won this trade by in a landslide. I can't believe the stupidity of Houston to a) give up all those assets when OKC was clearly dealing from a weak hand (Harden would have left as a FA) and b) offering a MAX contract to him.
Look what happened to Atlanta with the contract they awarded to Joe Johnson. OKC won this trade by in a landslide. I can't believe the stupidity of Houston to a) give up all those assets when OKC was clearly dealing from a weak hand (Harden would have left as a FA) and b) offering a MAX contract to him.
Thee Jazz Fan
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Couldn't agree more
Darkwing Duck
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You do realize Joe Johnson's max contract is around 22 mil per year while Harden's would be around 14-15 per year, at least a 25% difference, right? Which means that comparison isn't really comparable.
Yes it is because the CBA was different under Joe Johnson's contract beside the point is that both are overpaid.
Hotdog
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The problem with NBA is that every team has max money to offer at least 1, or 2, or maybe even 3 players, but there is actually only a handful of players that deserve it in reality. So with all that extra money out there, guys are going to get overpaid. So there will be a tier 2 group of max players. And I think, yes, Harden is probably in that group.
Gyp Rosetti
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While it's seemingly a bigger win for OKC, let's revisit this in three years. Houston had to make the move and did the wise thing here. They'll probably only win around 25-30 games but they'll be exciting.
I think it was a terrible move. Why not keep Harden and win a championship this year then sort it out in the offseason?
Houston made another terrible trade. Probably trying to salvage something from the failed Howard attempt.
I don't think OKC got any better, but from the grantland article, having 3 guys that do roughly the same thing is really redundant and isn't making the team "better". But I bet Durrant and Westbrook feel a little miffed at this deal. He was the guy holding everyone together.
Houston made another terrible trade. Probably trying to salvage something from the failed Howard attempt.
I don't think OKC got any better, but from the grantland article, having 3 guys that do roughly the same thing is really redundant and isn't making the team "better". But I bet Durrant and Westbrook feel a little miffed at this deal. He was the guy holding everyone together.
spycam1
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Maybe this trade is evidence that the OKC FO didn't believe they could beat the likes of Miami.
Stifle Tower
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Although I do realize the salary amounts are different, as cowhide mentioned, so is the CBA. When the harsh tax penalties take effect, these types of contracts are going to come back and bite some teams. Sure, you can argue he can be traded at that point. Maybe. Or maybe the only teams that will be under the tax are those who will want a fortune to take on his contract. Houston is tying up a huge chunk of money for a borderline all-star. I just don't see him or Lin as franchise players.
Jazz4ever
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If he wasn't 23 I would agree it was a foolish decision, but most guys hit their prime around 27. Harden could get still get significantly better, which would be scary. It was a calculated gamble for a type of a player that rarely becomes available. I have Houston winning the trade rather handily given the fact they didn't give up an arm and a leg.
Darkwing Duck
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No. The new CBA isn't terribly impactful when it comes to the max that Harden would sign. Deron Williams signed a max contract under the old CBA that started him at 13 million. Years of service affect max salary more than the new CBA does. Harden can't sign the type of contract Joe Johnson signed until he's been in the league for about 10 years.
billyshelby
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I would have happily packages either Kanter or Favors in a deal depending on what else was involved. It obviously depends on assurance that Harden would resign, but if you had that assurance you'd trade either of our young big straight up for him. In that scenario, it only depends on what else they would want. I'd be very tempted Kanter/Hayward, turn down Favors/Hayward.
Fishsticks
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You are out of your damn mind.