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[Alfalfa]

You can't quote someone who said nothing, so it won't let me make a joke about the above being the best post Joe ever made.

 

[Ignacio]

Wow. America is ****ed up.

Rome eating itself. History repeats.

Civil War when?

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Goodness. Another white guy who'd like to opt out of race talk. I am not interested in Fox News' war on the poor. Blacks have been greatly disadvantaged since they were shipped in chains to North America. It has nothing to do with welfare or any other lie that rich people try to convince poor people of so they'd continue to support their robbery of the American public.

You didn't answer any of my questions. Do you think having a ton of black males in jail prevents them from being present as fathers? Do you think a black woman making less than a white woman with similar education reinforces poverty? Do you think it would be more difficult for people to be financially present when they can't find a job?

As for education, do you think black neighborhoods schools have the same funding, and provide the same level of education as white-majority schools? Do you think someone who's been living in poverty and going through inferior schooling will be on equal grounds when it comes to furthering their education compared to a white counterpart?

It's almost like you know nothing about blacks in America. No wonder you'd rather not make it about race.

Aargh. I wrote a long reply and somehow it all deleted right as I hit post. I'll try to re-create it. Here are my answers to your questions. No I don't think it's an advantage to a family to have a father in prison. No I don't think it's an advantage to a family to have a father who deals drugs. No I don't think it's true that a white woman earns more than a black woman for the same job. No I don't think it's an advantage to unskilled laborers to have open borders creating an endless supply of applicants for the jobs they qualify for along with the related downward pressures on wages. No I don't think it's an advantage to go to a bad school. No I don't think that people are on equal footing, nor do I believe they ever can, will or should be. No I do not think that income disparity matters, at all. Yes, I do think that it is possible for every American to build a quality life from the skills and assets they have. Yes I do think it's important for parents to try to assist their children and to put them in an even better position than the parents were. Yes I do believe in charity and I do contribute freely (though not nearly as freely as my wife who has a heart of gold). No I don't think life is fair, but I do think that capitalism is the basis for the greatest economic system that has ever existed on this planet.

Is that enough answers for you? I'm pretty sure we disagree on a lot. Hopefully we also agree on some important things.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

You can't quote someone who said nothing, so it won't let me make a joke about the above being the best post Joe ever made.

Good for you, you found a way to accomplish your goal (despite the challenges you faced). You make me proud.

 

[Alfalfa]

Aargh. I wrote a long reply and somehow it all deleted right as I hit post. I'll try to re-create it. Here are my answers to your questions. No I don't think it's an advantage to a family to have a father in prison. No I don't think it's an advantage to a family to have a father who deals drugs. No I don't think it's true that a white woman earns more than a black woman for the same job. No I don't think it's an advantage to unskilled laborers to have open borders creating an endless supply of applicants for the jobs they qualify for along with the related downward pressures on wages. No I don't think it's an advantage to go to a bad school. No I don't think that people are on equal footing, nor do I believe they ever can, will or should be. No I do not think that income disparity matters, at all. Yes, I do think that it is possible for every American to build a quality life from the skills and assets they have. Yes I do think it's important for parents to try to assist their children and to put them in an even better position than the parents were. Yes I do believe in charity and I do contribute freely (though not nearly as freely as my wife who has a heart of gold). No I don't think life is fair, but I do think that capitalism is the basis for the greatest economic system that has ever existed on this planet.

Is that enough answers for you? I'm pretty sure we disagree on a lot. Hopefully we also agree on some important things.

I don't even know where to start with this much ignorance. Although I do appreciate you including the bit about your prejudice against brown people, even though it was never brought up. It's important for racists to be multifaceted in their bigotry.

And capitalism can suck my dick.

The day will come when the industrialists will claim that we can no longer afford entitlements (gee, those immigrants sure could've helped), while the poor cheer for them as they wallow in their poverty. I wonder if you'll still think the poor are your enemy then, and if you'll still be cheering for Rupert Murdoch.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

I don't even know where to start with this much ignorance. Although I do appreciate you including the bit about your prejudice against brown people, even though it was never brought up. It's important for racists to be multifaceted in their bigotry.

And capitalism can suck my dick.

The day will come when the industrialists will claim that we can no longer afford entitlements (gee, those immigrants sure could've helped), while the poor cheer for them as they wallow in their poverty. I wonder if you'll still think the poor are your enemy then, and if you'll still be cheering for Rupert Murdoch.

I assume your reply accidentally got attached to the wrong post because other than your comment about capitalism (which tells me we are worlds apart in our perspectives) I don't even know what comments you are referring to. What did I say about brown people?

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

I don't even know where to start with this much ignorance. Although I do appreciate you including the bit about your prejudice against brown people, even though it was never brought up. It's important for racists to be multifaceted in their bigotry.

And capitalism can suck my dick.

The day will come when the industrialists will claim that we can no longer afford entitlements (gee, those immigrants sure could've helped), while the poor cheer for them as they wallow in their poverty. I wonder if you'll still think the poor are your enemy then, and if you'll still be cheering for Rupert Murdoch.

Pretty amazing that this exchange came about because you claimed there was no reason for you to back up your claims that white supremacy is mainstream, and then that you claimed that you did back up your claim by saying that white people are doing better than black people economically.

I don't even know where to start with this much ignorance. Although I do appreciate you including the bit about your prejudice against brown people, even though it was never brought up. It's important for racists to be multifaceted in their bigotry.

And capitalism can suck my dick.

The day will come when the industrialists will claim that we can no longer afford entitlements (gee, those immigrants sure could've helped), while the poor cheer for them as they wallow in their poverty. I wonder if you'll still think the poor are your enemy then, and if you'll still be cheering for Rupert Murdoch.

Just realized that I probably misinterpereted your comment about capitalism. I would not let anyone or anything that I didn't love ever suck any part of me, and I assume you are the same.

 

[Alfalfa]

I assume your reply accidentally got attached to the wrong post because other than your comment about capitalism (which tells me we are worlds apart in our perspectives) I don't even know what comments you are referring to. What did I say about brown people?

The immigration part. You brought it up in your declaration of beliefs. Right after the part where you were explaining how blacks are to blame for their poverty. As for capitalism, it's nothing more than an economic system. I knew you'd take my cuss personally given the hilarious reverence you showed in your so called response.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

The immigration part. You brought it up in your declaration of beliefs. Right after the part where you were explaining how blacks are to blame for their poverty. As for capitalism, it's nothing more than an economic system. I knew you'd take my cuss personally given the hilarious reverence you showed in your so called response.

I mentioned the immigration part because it is very relevant to the wage challenges that unskilled workers face. It does not matter what color any of these people's skin are. What matters is that America is an amazing land of opportunity for millions of people but it cannot stay that way if we simply open the borders and let everyone in. There are very legitimate reasons for putting a system of legal immigration in place (and for trying to prevent illegal immigration). I'm not sure what your last sentence means. What is clear from this exchange is that our views are a long, long way apart. I certainly hope I never have to experience the America that the ideals you are striving for would create. I have a feeling that it would turn out vastly different than the utopia you have in mind.

 

[Alfalfa]

I mentioned the immigration part because it is very relevant to the wage challenges that unskilled workers face. It does not matter what color any of these people's skin are. What matters is that America is an amazing land of opportunity for millions of people but it cannot stay that way if we simply open the borders and let everyone in. There are very legitimate reasons for putting a system of legal immigration in place (and for trying to prevent illegal immigration). I'm not sure what your last sentence means. What is clear from this exchange is that our views are a long, long way apart. I certainly hope I never have to experience the America that the ideals you are striving for would create. I have a feeling that it would turn out vastly different than the utopia you have in mind.

Oh ya, the unrealistic utopia where people feel the same way you do about America regardless of race. It's okay though. It's their fault they can't take advantage of this amazing land of opportunity. If only they were as hard working as white people.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Oh ya, the unrealistic utopia where people feel the same way you do about America regardless of race. It's okay though. It's their fault they can't take advantage of this amazing land of opportunity. If only they were as hard working as white people.

No, the unrealistic utopia where wealth is redistributed and the government takes care of everything. Unfortunately that experiment has been played out many times. It turns out that when you take away the incentives to excel and innovate that pretty much everything goes to hell. As bad as you apparently think America is, there are damn good reasons that so many people for so many generations from so many other cultures have given up so much in order to try to get here.

 

[fishonjazz]

No, the unrealistic utopia where wealth is redistributed and the government takes care of everything. Unfortunately that experiment has been played out many times. It turns out that when you take away the incentives to excel and innovate that pretty much everything goes to hell. As bad as you apparently think America is, there are damn good reasons that so many people for so many generations from so many other cultures have given up so much in order to try to get here.

I don't want to get into this argument but isn't the idea of communism a distribution of **** and no incentives and stuff?

Isn't China innovative and somewhat prosperous?

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